Official AIRAID Intake System Feedback, Pictures Thread

[2forme]

Originally Posted by industrial

Not all the time. Example: getting accused of any sex crime and having it plastered everywhere. If there is an issue there would be more than 1 guy complaining about it. Who knows that that issue is but let the vendor try and fix it.

The other two with a tune should honestly work this out with the tuner. I've owned mostly Subarus and it was well understood that intakes that make power require tunes. You wouldn't add an intake to an off the shelf map and expect things to work just fine. This doesn't mean the tune is to blame or the parts. You just need a custom tune. It's like it's day 1 in here? Haven't you guys had other cars?

Oh I understand that perfectly. But this isn't marketed as an intake that would require a tune. Wouldn't prospective customers want to know all the possible outcomes of a product before purchasing? I know I would. Bonus points that AIRAID gets to respond and show they care as well.

Originally Posted by industrial

Once again, I'm not calling you a liar. You have an off the shelf tune and now that you added an intake they aren't exactly working well together. I'm not surprised and you shouldn't be either. That doesn't mean there is something wrong with the intake or the tune. Just get your tune tweaked and move on?

Oh believe me, if I was the only one. I would definitely take that course of action. But, so far, there are more people with stock tunes that are having problems than with the off the shelf ones.

[Foobar]

Originally Posted by industrial

What stock cars? 1 guy?

There are at least two guys. Tell ya what, there are only three of us who posted about having received an intake tube with a 1/8th threading on it instead of a 1/4th threading on it. Should we not have posted here either? C'mon man, we're all in this together just trying to help each other out. If there should be a an "Official AIRAID Intake System Perceived Issues, Pictures Thread" then fine - so be it.

[industrial]

Originally Posted by 2forme

Oh believe me, if I was the only one. I would definitely take that course of action. But, so far, there are more people with stock tunes that are having problems than with the off the shelf ones.

Who? I've skimmed the thread and saw you and civicdvr, both with tunes and reason who is stock.

[raz0rbladez909]

Originally Posted by industrial

Who? I've skimmed the thread and saw you and civicdvr, both with tunes and reason who is stock.

I saw at least 2 in this thread so far not including 2forme just from reading through 2 pages. Why are you so quick to discount them??

[industrial]

Originally Posted by Foobar

There are at least two guys. Tell ya what, there are only three of us who posted about having received an intake tube with a 1/8th threading on it instead of a 1/4th threading on it. Should we not have posted here either? C'mon man, we're all in this together just trying to help each other out. If there should be a an "Official AIRAID Intake System Perceived Issues, Pictures Thread" then fine - so be it.

No man, that's awesome that got worked out. Also the maf wire fix is good. Those are legitimate issues. The vendor is handling it. This bogging issue seems far more nebulous. I'm going to stop posting here though. I'm just saying to give vendors a chance to fix issues before plastering it all over the internet. This is how to scare off innovative future vendors from being transparent at all. This community seems really quick to crucify vendors which is super shitty.

[Foobar]

Originally Posted by industrial

No man, that's awesome that got worked out. Also the maf wire fix is good. Those are legitimate issues. The vendor is handling it. This bogging issue seems far more nebulous. I'm going to stop posting here though. I'm just saying to give vendors a chance to fix issues before plastering it all over the internet. This is how to scare off innovative future vendors from being transparent at all. This community seems really quick to crucify vendors which is super shitty.

I agree with you, and this is my last post on this topic so as not to derail further - I don't think anyone was crucifying AIRAID here. Like I said, they have been fantastic so far and I will most definitely be spending more money on their products. Like the threading size issue and the MAF wire fix, they start out as "hey I think there's a problem here" and it gets resolved - awesome. If bogging on stock cars is being noticed, then I think that deserves the same discussion. To answer your previous question, Laika was the other stock user reporting this issue. Yeah, he ordered the tune from Visconti, but to my knowledge, he has not received it yet.

[raz0rbladez909]

Originally Posted by industrial

No man, that's awesome that got worked out. Also the maf wire fix is good. Those are legitimate issues. The vendor is handling it. This bogging issue seems far more nebulous. I'm going to stop posting here though. I'm just saying to give vendors a chance to fix issues before plastering it all over the internet. This is how to scare off innovative future vendors from being transparent at all. This community seems really quick to crucify vendors which is super shitty.

Noone here is crucifying anyone, for some people this may be their first vehicle that they are modifying or they are new to cars, and won't notice if they have the issue unless it's brought up as not normal. Nobody is saying don't buy Airraid or anything of the sort, people are asking questions and trying to come up with a solution. This hasn't caused me to not be interested in the Airraid system, but I do want to know the product I throw my hard earned money at will be flawless when I receive it.

[2forme]

Originally Posted by industrial

No man, that's awesome that got worked out. Also the maf wire fix is good. Those are legitimate issues. The vendor is handling it. This bogging issue seems far more nebulous. I'm going to stop posting here though. I'm just saying to give vendors a chance to fix issues before plastering it all over the internet. This is how to scare off innovative future vendors from being transparent at all. This community seems really quick to crucify vendors which is super shitty.

We aren't crucifying anyone. We are all collectively trying to help AIRAID, or at the very least, people with the issue. No one in this thread came on and said "blah blah this intake sucks cuz it bogs". No, I took the time to collect some data, and show what the car is actually doing. Maybe, just maybe, someone who knows more about the design of this intake, or the inner workings of the ECU would be able to add input as to what the source might be, or where to start diagnosis.

But, to answer your prior post...
Tuned:

Originally Posted by 2forme

blah blah blah

Originally Posted by civicdrivr

I'm running the Visconti stg 1 flash and I've noticed that too.

Stock:

Originally Posted by Asphaltfrs1

Yeah I'm stock. I agree with civicdrivr. That's exactly what I've noticed, maybe we just have to get use to it.

Originally Posted by Laika

I can assure you my car has been feeling this weird "bogging".

Originally Posted by Reason

I am 100% stock and having this issue.

That's 5 known people who have reported this issue. I understand where you're coming from, but we aren't here to bash. We just want the best for our cars. Vendors are lucky to be apart of our community as we can definitely help them push out a better product in the end.

[AJUSA.com]

Originally Posted by Visconti

No problem David - but we're not talking about a aftermarket tune. We're talking about YOUR intake and problems that some people are having.

I am concerned about the problem because one of the guys having a problem is a customer of mine who didn't experience any problems until the intake install.

I will be getting data and reporting back as it pertains to your product not mine.

John

John,

The tune was designed for use with a stock intake right? The problem would not then be with the Airaid intake, it would be with the end user running the intake with a tune. The intake was designed with stock software in mind, your tune was built with a stock intake in mind. Obviously there is going to be an issue when trying them together....

That does not mean there is a problem with either product, it means they were not designed to work together. In this industry, normally the software guys are the ones who come up with a product to match the hardware.




As of now we have 4 cars running into hesitation. two have a tune. We will look into this further to come up with an answer. But with all of the other cars running great, it may be hard to diagnose what is actually causing this.

In my personal experience, the problem was most likely there to begin with and only exaggerated by the aftermarket part. In this case it would be the delay in drive by wire system. My 06 tundra does this too when I chug it along, stock intake or not.

Are these both manual cars or do we have an auto experiencing it too?

[2forme]

Originally Posted by AJUSA.com

As of now we have 2 cars running into hesitation. One has a tune. We will look into this further to come up with an answer. But with all of the other cars running great, it may be hard to diagnose what is actually causing this.

Is that 2 in addition to the 5 here or are those 2 part of the 5 here?

EDIT: Apparently AJUSA edited this to say 4 instead of 2, but my question still stands. Are the 4 a part of the 5 here, or separate instances brought to your attention?

[Visconti]

Originally Posted by AJUSA.com

John,

The tune was designed for use with a stock intake right? The problem would not then be with the Airaid intake, it would be with the end user running the intake with a tune. The intake was designed with stock software in mind, your tune was built with a stock intake in mind. Obviously there is going to be an issue when trying them together....

That does not mean there is a problem with either product, it means they were not designed to work together. In this industry, normally the software guys are the ones who come up with a product to match the hardware.




As of now we have 2 cars running into hesitation. One has a tune. We will look into this further to come up with an answer. But with all of the other cars running great, it may be hard to diagnose what is actually causing this.

In my personal experience, the problem was most likely there to begin with and only exaggerated by the aftermarket part. In this case it would be the delay in drive by wire system. My 06 tundra does this too when I chug it along, stock intake or not.

Are these both manual cars or do we have an auto experiencing it too?

The post above yours shows 5 people that have publicly reported a problem.

If you make a intake for a stock tune - it will 10000000% work perfectly on a ecu that was tuned for stock intake !

-John

[2forme]

Originally Posted by Visconti

If you make a intake for a stock tune - it will 10000000% work perfectly on a ecu that was tuned for stock intake !

You just said in one sentence what I've been trying to say for 5 pages.

[Reason]

I feel like no one has taken the time to read all the posts and think out their replies.

Here are the facts:

There are 4 people reporting this.

It isn't a drive by wire delay. A delay would mean you move your foot, there is a pause, then the car goes on as normal (rev's climb, engine torque increases, etc..)

This is a hesitation. You move your foot, the engine responds, rev's climb, but the torque response isn't there. There is a flat spot. You have to move your foot more - requesting more torque from the engine - to achieve the same motion you used to.

That is not a delay in the throttle system, it's the engine not responding the way the car expected it to, and the car recovering.

[PrimeMotoring]

I highly doubt its the tune. I've ran through every revision on my car as my daily driver and never reported any of the issues explained above. Not to mention it would really only need a re tune if the maf housing was larger like the turbo subarus which is not the case since these intakes are made to work with the stock tune. I'd like to try out an intake and do some more testing with John. This ecu is very sensitive and if people with stock tunes are having this issue theres your litmus test. Working on Audi/VW many times the stock intake is designed very well and improperly desgined aftermarket intakes would just be a waste of money. Not to say the Airride is badly designed however there might be something overlooked on most of the intake systems thats making the car react like it does.