Is the FR-S the right car for me? (I'm 16)

[thill]

Originally Posted by p4png

Ability to treat risk does not define maturity. I agree there is a strong correlation however there are people that are mature at a young age and older people who act childishly due to their experiences. Also just cause an expert says something is true doesn't necessarily mean it is. That would be bias. Did you critically appraise the evidence? Or just took it as a fact based off a website? The brain is always changing so technically it is never fully developed.

From Wikipedia, not the best source but a good starting point. "In psychology, maturity is the ability to respond to the environment in an appropriate manner. This response is generally learned rather than instinctive, and is not determined by one's age."

I hope you have been enlightened.

There is a reason why car insurance for males age 16-25 on sports cars (or any car for that matter) is typically much higher than other age demographics. The insurance companies have decades of metrics and research at their disposal, and understand the risks far more than anyone on this message board. That is not to say that every 16-25 year old male is going to get excessive speeding tickets or get in car accidents, but the odds are much, much higher.

[p4png]

The best part of a disagreement is when the other person has nothing better to say than non sense. Sweet victory. Like arguing with a women who can't win lmao. But it's the internet what was I expecting. I'll play along, assumption game?

You must be over 25 but has the brain of a 16 year old. Evidence: makes a disagreement and asks to be enlightened. Is then enlightened but can't handle defeat so tries to make people laugh instead.

You must be a women. Evidence: doesn't know how to refute a claim, so relies on hormones to do the talking.

Originally Posted by BadMoon

You must be under 25.

[p4png]

Originally Posted by thill

There is a reason why car insurance for males age 16-25 on sports cars (or any car for that matter) is typically much higher than other age demographics. The insurance companies have decades of metrics and research at their disposal, and understand the risks far more than anyone on this message board. That is not to say that every 16-25 year old male is going to get excessive speeding tickets or get in car accidents, but the odds are much, much higher.

I'm not arguing against it, age and maturity have a strong correlation like I said before. Most 16-25 year old are careless. Just not assuming the op is yet.

[thill]

Originally Posted by p4png

I'm not arguing against it, age and maturity have a strong correlation like I said before. Most 16-25 year old are careless. Just not assuming the op is yet.

No, he may not be. The insurance company just won't see it that way Guilty until proven innocent and if he does make a mistake over the next couple of years, expect his rates to double. I had one accident and ticket when I was between 17 and 18 and my insurance doubled on my sports car. So my advice to the OP would be to make sure your finances still make sense for this car if you assume your insurance was to go up significantly.

[p4png]

Originally Posted by thill

No, he may not be. The insurance company just won't see it that way Guilty until proven innocent and if he does make a mistake over the next couple of years, expect his rates to double. I had one accident and ticket when I was between 17 and 18 and my insurance doubled on my sports car. So my advice to the OP would be to make sure your finances still make sense for this car if you assume your insurance was to go up significantly.

Ya very true. Over here for a new male driver, the insurance for a year is 9000. Sucks to be young.

[GTM_Challenge]

This is an FR-S we are talking about guys, not a Corvette. This car is not fast and has great safety ratings. If he's able to get one, I think it's a great choice. My mom's minivan is faster than an FRS - should he not get to drive one of those either?

[BadMoon]

I refuse to retort any further. Here is why. In a previous post you had stated that you do not believe opinions from experts. No point going back and forth with someone whom refuses to acknowledge expert opinion.

Originally Posted by p4png

The best part of a disagreement is when the other person has nothing better to say than non sense. Sweet victory. Like arguing with a women who can't win lmao. But it's the internet what was I expecting. I'll play along, assumption game?

You must be over 25 but has the brain of a 16 year old. Evidence: makes a disagreement and asks to be enlightened. Is then enlightened but can't handle defeat so tries to make people laugh instead.

You must be a women. Evidence: doesn't know how to refute a claim, so relies on hormones to do the talking.

[shirker]

Originally Posted by GTM_Challenge

This is an FR-S we are talking about guys, not a Corvette. This car is not fast and has great safety ratings. If he's able to get one, I think it's a great choice. My mom's minivan is faster than an FRS - should he not get to drive one of those either?

Faster sure, but the same person would be much more likely to speed/drive dangerously in an FR-S instead of a minivan, vehicle straight-line acceleration notwithstanding. Because racecar.

[mityfang]

Im 16. I got the FRS about 7 months ago. If you can get one go for it. You will not regret it. Like everyone said, just respect the car. It isn't as out of control as some people have said (someone made a comparison to giving a Hayabusa to a 16 year old). It is, however, very tempting. You'll want to drive fast in it. Learn to control that temptation and it will be a fine daily driver. Gets good gas mileage too. Im getting about 27-28 combined in a Manual.

[DeeezNuuuts83]

Originally Posted by GTM_Challenge

This is an FR-S we are talking about guys, not a Corvette. This car is not fast and has great safety ratings. If he's able to get one, I think it's a great choice. My mom's minivan is faster than an FRS - should he not get to drive one of those either?

Think back to 1999-2000. How many teenagers got into accidents in a Honda Civic Si? You know, the one with FWD and 160 hp. Now switch it to RWD and add another 40 hp along with the ability to oversteer really easily. Stuff can still happen, and I don't think 16 year-olds these days are magically better at responding to the rear end stepping out than they were years ago. What are they going to do if that happens (and it will, otherwise they likely wouldn't care for an FR-S/BRZ)? Hit the brakes.

[Luis_GT]

Originally Posted by DeeezNuuuts83

Think back to 1999-2000. How many teenagers got into accidents in a Honda Civic Si? You know, the one with FWD and 160 hp. Now switch it to RWD and add another 40 hp along with the ability to oversteer really easily. Stuff can still happen, and I don't think 16 year-olds these days are magically better at responding to the rear end stepping out than they were years ago. What are they going to do if that happens (and it will, otherwise they likely wouldn't care for an FR-S/BRZ)? Hit the brakes.

Thats where you go to a deserted parking lot and practice... o watch enough initial d to know what to do

[p4png]

Originally Posted by BadMoon

I refuse to retort any further. Here is why. In a previous post you had stated that you do not believe opinions from experts. No point going back and forth with someone whom refuses to acknowledge expert opinion.

There we go something of substance. Read up on expert bias. I never said your claim was false only stated your judgements may be biased. Experts say you need 8 glasses of water a day too, guess what that's actually false. When you use science, you are in a grey area.

[4Running Daily]

Originally Posted by mityfang

Im 16. I got the FRS about 7 months ago. If you can get one go for it. You will not regret it. Like everyone said, just respect the car. It isn't as out of control as some people have said (someone made a comparison to giving a Hayabusa to a 16 year old). It is, however, very tempting. You'll want to drive fast in it. Learn to control that temptation and it will be a fine daily driver. Gets good gas mileage too. Im getting about 27-28 combined in a Manual.

That's alot better then the 13 mpg I was getting in the 4Runner.







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[naikaidriver]

Originally Posted by Luis_GT

Thats where you go to a deserted parking lot and practice... o watch enough initial d to know what to do

Holy crap! Did you just suggest someone learn to drift from watching a CARTOON????????



I... I... I don't even know where to start or how to properly address stupidity on that kind of level.

Scott