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SkullWorks · 05-30-2013, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by jadewbj

I do know that Nissan will void the warranty on a GTR in a hot minute. Do anything to the car and the will not warranty, use launch controll = no warranty. It is terrible. The difference is that most GTR drivers can afford to pay to fix anything they need.

Please stop with the misinformation, this has nothing to do with the topic at hand and it is bad information.

If you mod a GT-R, you will likely get your warranty pulled for whatever portion of the car is modified, that is status Quo, get over it.

As discussed, Nissan Will NOT refuse warranty for tracking the GT-R, you must play by their rules and allow them to inspect the car after the track event last I heard, but rules are rules, get used to them they aren't going away, there's rules everywhere.

can we quit talking in circles about this, it isn't helping the case, and there are alot of people subscribed to this thread that don't like getting notified everytime someone wants to throw in something they think they know,

dsgerbc · 05-30-2013, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Opie

Track use, auto-x, racing, etc. are not considered "normal usage" regardless of what the brochure or advertising says.

I'd like to see Subaru deny an otherwise stock and never reflashed engine claim because of autox (however legal that might be). It would be a terrible PR move. Track/racing - sure. Reflashed engine (autox-ed) - sure. Stock engine autoxed - I doubt it. Unlike the track, it is well with-in reasonable pattern of 'normal usage' for a car like this to accelerate @WOT for several seconds during the day.

jadewbj · 05-30-2013, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by SkullWorks

Please stop with the misinformation, this has nothing to do with the topic at hand and it is bad information.

If you mod a GT-R, you will likely get your warranty pulled for whatever portion of the car is modified, that is status Quo, get over it.

As discussed, Nissan Will NOT refuse warranty for tracking the GT-R, you must play by their rules and allow them to inspect the car after the track event last I heard, but rules are rules, get used to them they aren't going away, there's rules everywhere.

can we quit talking in circles about this, it isn't helping the case, and there are alot of people subscribed to this thread that don't like getting notified everytime someone wants to throw in something they think they know,

It was brought up by someone else. I just added. I am out.

Peace.

SubieNate · 05-30-2013, 02:28 PM

I'm with those saying take it to Autoblog/Jalopnik. That's a PR nightmare for them.

Nathan

King Tut · 05-30-2013, 02:39 PM

I am not sure how refusing to cover a second blown engine that occured during a timed competition on a race track is a PR nightmare for them. Right now we don't even know definitively what caused the engine to cease.

CSG Mike · 05-30-2013, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by King Tut

I am not sure how refusing to cover a second blown engine that occured during a timed competition on a race track is a PR nightmare for them. Right now we don't even know definitively what caused the engine to cease.

I'm gonna add a quick clarification here.

The car has been attended timed events. In other words,lap times were being tracked. Every participant at the events the car attended is offered timing, typically at no cost.

When a timing transponder is offered for free, wouldn't you take it? If you were being stopwatched by hand, isn't it still a timed event? Isn't an autox a timed event?

The engine did NOT seize during a "timed competition".

King Tut · 05-30-2013, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by CSG Mike

I'm gonna add a quick clarification here.

The car has been attended timed events. In other words,lap times were being tracked. Every participant at the events the car attended is offered timing, typically at no cost.

When a timing transponder is offered for free, wouldn't you take it? If you were being stopwatched by hand, isn't it still a timed event? Isn't an autox a timed event?

The engine did NOT seize during a "timed competition".

Would I take it, yes. I will clarify then and state that the engine was used during a "timed competition" namely the FT86cup. Is that an accurate statement? What kind of gauges and datalogging did you have on the car when it seized? Did it seize on the street or during a session on track? I am truly interested in what caused the engine to seize. I don't want to assume it was just the direct injector seals failing.

finch1750 · 05-30-2013, 03:06 PM

Like others have said get an attorney. You have two possible arguments. The racing vs. HPDE argument as well as the statement you used the car for a purpose other than designed. All the marketing material talking track use and how this feature and that is the purpose of that design/feature.

Contact your county bar association. They generally do referals for a nominal fee (like 30 minutes for $30).

wu_dot_com · 05-30-2013, 03:44 PM

so you are that white BRZ that was in for engine repair. one of the guys there at Irvine subaru told me abuout this.

CSG Mike · 05-30-2013, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by wu_dot_com

so you are that white BRZ that was in for engine repair. one of the guys there at Irvine subaru told me abuout this.

That probably is the one...

SUB-FT86 · 05-30-2013, 04:15 PM

If I had a car like the FRS/BRZ I would want to take it out to the track or else otherwise I would feel like I am missing the bigger point in this car. If you just DD this car wouldn't it feel like any other car but just lower to the ground? That's messed up how they are treating you especially since the engine is stock.

RYU · 05-30-2013, 04:34 PM

Free legal advice... Will be worth taking 1 hr out of your day to visit. June 1 in Anaheim.

http://www.businessexpocenter.com/ev....asp?id=314779

CSG Mike · 05-30-2013, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by RYU

Free legal advice... Will be worth taking 1 hr out of your day to visit. June 1 in Anaheim.

http://www.businessexpocenter.com/ev....asp?id=314779

Funny, I listen to Handel all the time when I'm driving up to events...

maj75 · 05-30-2013, 04:59 PM

I just read your description of the FT86 Cup in the Tracking forum.

I hate to be a downer, but timed competition for prizes sounds like the definition of "racing" even if it isn't wheel to wheel.

You will have to have evidence that the failure is unrelated to the specific "racing" events, as opposed to other non-FT86 Cup events the car is driven in.

Subaru will then have to come up with some evidence that the failure "resulted from operating the vehicle in any competition or racing event." Just because you "raced" the car, does not mean the warranty is cancelled forever more. It is only cancelled for something that was damaged by the "racing event". If the damage occurred during a traditional HPDE (no time, no prizes, no awards) then the warranty does not exclude the damage.

The judge or arbitrator then weighs the evidence and makes a decision.

I don't know what percentage of your driving was in the FT86 cup vs other HPDE events, but if the FT86 Cup was less than 50%, it is going to be tough for Subaru to prove which event did the damage that resulted in the failure.

GET THE MOTOR FROM THE DEALER AND HAVE IT EXAMINED BY AN EXPERT. DOCUMENT THE INSPECTION AND GET A REPORT. PAY THE EXPERT AND GET A RECEIPT. YOU MUST HAVE EVIDENCE ABOUT WHAT CAUSED THE FAILURE, AND WHEN THAT DAMAGE OCCURRED!

Hopefully, your expert will conclude that the FT86 Cup events were not the cause of the failure

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wu_dot_com Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Drives: accord Location: ca Posts: 454 Thanks: 297 Thanked 178 Times in 86 Posts Mentioned: 2 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	so you are that white BRZ that was in for engine repair. one of the guys there at Irvine subaru told me abuout this.

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maj75 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Drives: Blue FRS 6sp, 95 M3 Location: South Florida Posts: 115 Thanks: 6 Thanked 43 Times in 25 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I just read your description of the FT86 Cup in the Tracking forum. I hate to be a downer, but timed competition for prizes sounds like the definition of "racing" even if it isn't wheel to wheel. You will have to have evidence that the failure is unrelated to the specific "racing" events, as opposed to other non-FT86 Cup events the car is driven in. Subaru will then have to come up with some evidence that the failure "resulted from operating the vehicle in any competition or racing event." Just because you "raced" the car, does not mean the warranty is cancelled forever more. It is only cancelled for something that was damaged by the "racing event". If the damage occurred during a traditional HPDE (no time, no prizes, no awards) then the warranty does not exclude the damage. The judge or arbitrator then weighs the evidence and makes a decision. I don't know what percentage of your driving was in the FT86 cup vs other HPDE events, but if the FT86 Cup was less than 50%, it is going to be tough for Subaru to prove which event did the damage that resulted in the failure. GET THE MOTOR FROM THE DEALER AND HAVE IT EXAMINED BY AN EXPERT. DOCUMENT THE INSPECTION AND GET A REPORT. PAY THE EXPERT AND GET A RECEIPT. YOU MUST HAVE EVIDENCE ABOUT WHAT CAUSED THE FAILURE, AND WHEN THAT DAMAGE OCCURRED! Hopefully, your expert will conclude that the FT86 Cup events were not the cause of the failure

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