Rear Speakers

[mit_peid]

Originally Posted by BlueSTaR

I'm also thinking of just disconnecting the back speakers. I don't really see a need for them. Although I do have a 4 channel amp :P

I wouldn't spend too much time & effort on the rear-speakers either, but from my experience things sounded better (at least fuller) with them there.

My setup: I'm running a RF P500X4D 4-ch amp to components in front and bridged for a single sealed 10" sub in the trunk. Tweeters were mounted in the dash and 6.5" speakers (4-ohm) were obviously in the doors, running full pass-through on the HU and amp, allowing the crossovers to do all the frequency separation. The OEM 3.5" rear speakers are currently being powered by the aftermarket Pioneer AVH-X8500BHS HU.

I accidentally cut the wires to the rear speakers for about a week and drove around without them connected thinking to myself they're virtually useless anyway. But to my surprise, it just felt something was missing. After connecting them back up I was happier with the overall sound. Now I'm wondering if a $50 pair of 3.5" or 4" speakers for the rear, powered by the aftermarket Pioneer HU, is worth experimenting with. Anybody try to install aftermarket 4" speakers to the back? I hear speaker baffles ($7.50 on Amazon for a 4" pair) actually work pretty well for smaller speakers like these.

[BlueSTaR]

What did you guys do for the fronts? 3 channels?

[Zippy]

Originally Posted by cruzinbill

Again you are comparing a car to a home enviroment. Do you even know of any headunits that will play SACD in car? I'm pretty sure there are none.

I took 30 seconds and google found these three. All 3 are Sony head units, models MEX-DV1000, MEX-DV2000, and XAV-W1.

Originally Posted by cruzinbill

So you would need processing to actually make use of the rear speakers still. Slim to none offer true surround sound either. Unless your source unit has it then you aren't actually doing anything other than cloning the front output. Thats all rear is, a duplicate of the front output in 90% of car stereos.

So even if you are listening to dvd audio in a car, its still not surround sound just incorrect imaging from the rear. Unless you have one of the few units that do 5.1.

I have an older alpine in my other vehicle that supports it in surround. There is no DSP and the imaging is correct with it. Just about any car dvd player supports dvd-a and sacd format. Including newer systems. Any new head unit that has toslink out will support it. Last I checked toslink is 100% correct channel presentation in car or home. The toslink out will be correctly setup to present the rear channel and the RCA outputs will also be correct for rear with no DSP required. I do plan on using a DSP in my build. I will start next week on it and be posting it when completed. Just do some research before purchasing and everything will be fine.

Originally Posted by cruzinbill

If someone wants to run rears fine, but there's no reason to have false beliefs of whats going on.

Again this is dependent upon the equipment you purchase. Making an assumption that everything being sold by every company is identical is just wrong.

[cruzinbill]

Originally Posted by Zippy

I took 30 seconds and google found these three. All 3 are Sony head units, models MEX-DV1000, MEX-DV2000, and XAV-W1.


I have an older alpine in my other vehicle that supports it in surround. There is no DSP and the imaging is correct with it. Just about any car dvd player supports dvd-a and sacd format. Including newer systems. Any new head unit that has toslink out will support it. Last I checked toslink is 100% correct channel presentation in car or home. The toslink out will be correctly setup to present the rear channel and the RCA outputs will also be correct for rear with no DSP required. I do plan on using a DSP in my build. I will start next week on it and be posting it when completed. Just do some research before purchasing and everything will be fine.



Again this is dependent upon the equipment you purchase. Making an assumption that everything being sold by every company is identical is just wrong.

Those are no longer in production, when SACD was the new fad a few companies did it... but they pretty much all dropped support. Sony had tons of issues with their SACD models since they rushed them out to be the first to have them.

Toslink is another ultra rare thing to find on a car Headunit now. Other than finding some older models on ebay thats about the only way its gonna happen.

Wish you luck on your build tho, hope to see somthin on it when your done.

[cruzinbill]

Originally Posted by BlueSTaR

What did you guys do for the fronts? 3 channels?

I'm using 6 channels for the front, 3 per side.

[mit_peid]

Originally Posted by BlueSTaR

What did you guys do for the fronts? 3 channels?

Clarification on your question.... are you asking if the front gets "3-way" speakers like kind of what the stock OEMs are? (a tweeter in the dash, a 4" next to the tweeter, and a 6.5" in the door).

I went with "2-way" components with tweeters in the dash and 6.5" in the doors. I have my crossovers under the seat but still looking for a better location. All components that I'm aware of are '2-way" setups, but I've seen '3-way' 6x9s that don't fit this car without some mods. The 4" slots in the dash currently sit without speakers in my setup.

[SkullWorks]

What do you guys think of eliminating the rear speakers and molding a Sub Box that eliminates the armrest area in the rear and utilizes some of the open area behind that panel?

I would like to be able to still fold down the rear seat and keep all my storage area, and this seems like the best place to put a couple of 6" subs.

[cruzinbill]

Originally Posted by SkullWorks

What do you guys think of eliminating the rear speakers and molding a Sub Box that eliminates the armrest area in the rear and utilizes some of the open area behind that panel?

I would like to be able to still fold down the rear seat and keep all my storage area, and this seems like the best place to put a couple of 6" subs.

Would be a bit of work, but would turn out alright if done correctly. I would use a pair of 8s tho, more cone area and there is enough space.

[SkullWorks]

I'll surely end up using what I have for now (a 10" sub) and make a box, but in the long run I'd like to be able to drive to the track without having to take apart my sound system.

For now the car requires a truck with a bed full of E-85 to go to the track anyway...lol

[tonystewart]

I installed these and insulated/soundproofed the area with Raammat on the sheet metal and Ensolite on the interior panel.

[mit_peid]

Originally Posted by tonystewart

I installed these and insulated/soundproofed the area with Raammat on the sheet metal and Ensolite on the interior panel.

If you did the rear speaker upgrade, Raammat, and Ensolite separately and sequentially, how would you rank the impact to your overall sound from each of the three? I was considering buying some 3.5" speaker baffles for the rear speakers to see if the air separation would improve the sound coming from the stock speakers but I starting getting into more suspension mods for the car. That plus most of my sounds are coming from the front components being powered by an amp.

[tonystewart]

The insulation has the greatest impact, tire noise is less.
Speaker Tweakers made a noticeable difference, Speakers sound better, fuller.
The Alpines have to be at least worth the price ($46) to replace them,
That is my ranking

[rbrender]

do those Alpine SPS 410 fit in the stock mount?

[tonystewart]

Yes with modifications