Scion Drops the ball...

[Zaku]

Originally Posted by Ryuu0u

I kind of dont see why 20-24k is bad. Most people entering early 20s of age are either getting ready to graduate college or just graduated. Get a good job lined up and you should be fine granted you don't have other heavy financial obligations. That is my soon to be situation anyways i cant speak for the rest.

Im Sure in a much better America this would be true, Unfortunately reality isn't like that, if it was like you say Im sure they wouldn't be protest and occupy movements. It's not that easy to get a job, most people have taken out student loans and they'll need to pay that off. Some people are lucky that their parents provide or they have scholarships but that's so few. 20-24K is alot, espicailly if your just starting out.

[suprachica79]

Originally Posted by Zaku

Im Sure in a much better America this would be true, Unfortunately reality isn't like that, if it was like you say Im sure they wouldn't be protest and occupy movements. It's not that easy to get a job, most people have taken out student loans and they'll need to pay that off. Some people are lucky that their parents provide or they have scholarships but that's so few. 20-24K is alot, espicailly if your just starting out.

Thank You. I have a degree in pharmaceuticals and it took me a year and a half to find a 2-year contract position, no benefits, no paid time off. 135k in student loans between my undergrad and my MBA and at the wage I am currently at, I gross less than 1/3 of my total student loans. I don't consider $24k a lot of money in comparison to my student loans, but I have to live with my parents because if I don't get a significant raise, there is no way I can afford to live on my own. It's pathetic lol.

Moral of the story - Getting a good paying job, especially compared to what people owe in student loans, well it's much easier said than done. And a few grand difference in this car could be the difference between living somewhat comfortably or starting to scrape by.

Edit - I don't want this to come off like I'm irresponsible with money and would put myself in financial ruin by getting this car, but this car is my present to myself for being in college for 6 years in a row and damnit, I want climate control!

[tripjammer]

Originally Posted by suprachica79

Thank You. I have a degree in pharmaceuticals and it took me a year and a half to find a 2-year contract position, no benefits, no paid time off. 135k in student loans between my undergrad and my MBA and at the wage I am currently at, I gross less than 1/3 of my total student loans. I don't consider $24k a lot of money in comparison to my student loans, but I have to live with my parents because if I don't get a significant raise, there is no way I can afford to live on my own. It's pathetic lol.

Moral of the story - Getting a good paying job, especially compared to what people owe in student loans, well it's much easier said than done. And a few grand difference in this car could be the difference between living somewhat comfortably or starting to scrape by.

Edit - I don't want this to come off like I'm irresponsible with money and would put myself in financial ruin by getting this car, but this car is my present to myself for being in college for 6 years in a row and damnit, I want climate control!

Congrats! You got to live with this car so you should be able to get what options you want.

[tripjammer]

Originally Posted by random

Looking at the bigger picture about what this car is about, caring about HIDs and LEDs is pretty petty and quite missing the point. This car isn't about neeto-mosquito gizmos.

I hear ya but it's not being petty. I just want scion to at least offer it as an option or accessory.

And hids make you see better when you drive at night. The only reason they are not standard on the frs is because they want to hit the low base price. I am all for them trying to do that. Basically what the frs is right now is a low-spec based toyota 86 with the white tach and a radio.

You also don't need tilt and telescoping steering wheel but it's there thank you scion!

Just because some of us want these options does not mean scion won't offer it.

[Torquesteered]

Originally Posted by random

Looking at the bigger picture about what this car is about, caring about HIDs and LEDs is pretty petty and quite missing the point. This car isn't about neeto-mosquito gizmos.

HID's are not a gizmo, anybody who lives or drives outside a city that has used quality HID's will tell you they are a performance option. I live in a small town, there are lots of dark empty roads at night, thats when I like the drive for fun. HID's make this better and safer.

[Ikaros]

Originally Posted by Torquesteered

HID's are not a gizmo, anybody who lives or drives outside a city that has used quality HID's will tell you they are a performance option. I live in a small town, there are lots of dark empty roads at night, thats when I like the drive for fun. HID's make this better and safer.

I agree man, there's like this long stretch of highway that links my university to the city, and it is scary as hell to drive on it. There's no street lights, plus in the fall, it's foggy most of the time and the sun sets at 5pm. Basically it's like that highway that leads you to silent hills lol.

[Zaku]

I tell you something thought.... if you do live in the city I totally hate that bastard with the HID chilling behind my car god it's fricken bright! akjdksahdkjhasdhj. Totally agree with the being out of the city and needing HIDs, my parents live out in the country are and they have no streetlights, I really like having HIDs as for LED eh...they look good without it, they look good with it. I wouldn't mind either or.

[MrVito]

Originally Posted by tripjammer

I hear ya but it's not being petty. I just want scion to at least offer it as an option or accessory.

And hids make you see better when you drive at night. The only reason they are not standard on the frs is because they want to hit the low base price. I am all for them trying to do that. Basically what the frs is right now is a low-spec based toyota 86 with the white tach and a radio.

You also don't need tilt and telescoping steering wheel but it's there thank you scion!

Just because some of us want these options does not mean scion won't offer it.

This is not necessarily true. The low spec part yes, however, I would put money on the stereo being a dealer installed accessory.

Notice this image shows the "factory" headunit. If you compare the depth of the face of the head unit and its buttons/dials to the dash surround you can see that in some places it is nearly flush with the surface of the dash. Not everywhere, just on the rotary dial, and the top of the headunit near the CD slot. At the bottom of the image you see "Prototype shown with optional equipment. Production model may vary." This is in no way indicative of the stereo being non standard...





however, when you compare the above image to the silver test drive car...



You see what some people are calling a stereo cover. I say, based off of the fit and finish of the panel, combined with the comparative depth of it's surface to the dash, and the stereo's surface to the dash, that this is NOT a stereo cover (not to mention if you look at the top pic, there is no space for the "cover" to recess into). This is a filler panel, which appears production ready, for the FR-S without a stereo. It's surface is shallower in places than the Scion headunit. Now to be fair, neither vehicle has been stated to be 100% production, but, I for one believe that the headunit will be a dealer installed accessory.


EDIT: the upper picture was taken from http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2525 ). I hope they keep as much equipment out of this car as possible in effort to offer a low low price point, with the bits that people are whining about not having (leather, seat warmers, fogs, HIDs, big brakes, headunit, slurpee machines, etc) as dealer installed accessories. That's where Scion makes their $$$ anyways.

[Zaku]

btw correct me if I'm wrong but... isn't SCION's audio stuff like the Head unit and speakers like one of the best in the Industry? I don't know about you guys but I listen to music the most when Im in my car I want something nice lol

also not to start this again or anything but after looking at the interior picture above.... where are they going to fit a Push start if they have that access?

[2fast4you]

Originally Posted by Zaku

also not to start this again or anything but after looking at the interior picture above.... where are they going to fit a Push start if they have that access?

Cubby hole under the HVAC.

[Sport-Tech]

Originally Posted by MrVito

I say, based off of the fit and finish of the panel, combined with the comparative depth of it's surface to the dash, and the stereo's surface to the dash, that this is NOT a stereo cover (not to mention if you look at the top pic, there is no space for the "cover" to recess into). This is a filler panel, which appears production ready, for the FR-S without a stereo.

It is definitely not a stereo cover for the reasons you mention, but I am not convinced it is a "production-ready" filler panel either. Its color and/or texture (can't tell which from the photo) do not quite match the surrounding dash plastic. And those dimples on the panel seem an unlikely choice for a production unit - they attract the eye and just scream "cheap filler panel here instead of expensive HU/SatNav."

[Zaku]

Originally Posted by 2fast4you

Cubby hole under the HVAC.

seems small compared to the big space they have on the BRS and 86, less it's a small button ;O?

[NemesisPrime909]

it seems smaller due to the altered center console of the FRS

those dials are giant compared to the 86/BRZ

[CXTKRS1]

Originally Posted by Zaku

I tell you something thought.... if you do live in the city I totally hate that bastard with the HID chilling behind my car god it's fricken bright!

Majority of the time it is dumbass with aftermarket HID's with some stupid high K rating.