Toyobaru Vs. Volkswagen GTi?

[Rampage]

Originally Posted by Mr.Jay

it really depends on what you want to do with the car

some people here are gonna drift the car and well FWD + drift = fail

FWD can be lighting fast but they rarely ever give off that sporty driving feel to me (ITR excluded)

I predict some people are going to "drift" the FRS/GT86/BRZ even when they do not intend to and there will be some crumpled sheet metal as a result. Chalk it up to a generation born and raised on front wheel drive cars and massive built in understeer.

[SUB-FT86]

Originally Posted by Eureka

Tbh, I'm surprised no one mentioned this yet (at least to my knowledge, I have tried searching). But specwise, aren't these two cars pretty similar?
Both have compact size, relatively low weight (GTi a bit heavier at 3000lb but makes up for it with 207lb/ft of torque), both in the 200hp range. Now before you guys point out the obvious, I know I know. Gti is FWD, hatchback, and FI. But nonetheless, the price point of it puts it in the FRS/BRZ category. So what do you guys think about the GTi? Worthy competitor or just another overweight turbocharged hot hatch?

On a side note, I drove the hyundai GC, 2.0t today and the GTi as well. The GC felt terribly stiff, with really heavy steering and delayed throttle response. It just didn't felt as fast as it looked. On the other hand, the GTi performed like a champ. lol but seriously, I drove the DSG version (flameshield on s and it's a great little car. Handles well, eager to rev, and DSG is lightning fast and smooth. I think it might be the lower weight of the GTi, but FWD didn't feel all that bad to me, compared to the GC anyways. So that's my opinion of both cars, let me know what you guys think.

It's funny but this is what I love about it. You actually like LIGHT steering and a soft chassis feeling???

[Lasse]

Originally Posted by SUB-FT86

It's funny but this is what I love about it. You actually like LIGHT steering and a soft chassis feeling???

Modern day sportscar?

"I predict some people are going to "drift" the FRS/GT86/BRZ even when they do not intend to and there will be some crumpled sheet metal as a result. Chalk it up to a generation born and raised on front wheel drive cars and massive built in understeer. "

I predict that GT 86 is very predictable and very well balanced car to drive. For beginners, i think it is quite easy to handle.

[Eureka]

Originally Posted by SUB-FT86

It's funny but this is what I love about it. You actually like LIGHT steering and a soft chassis feeling???

This might be personal preference but to me, the steering wheel felt like it was almost stuck on with glue. It's not really like luxury-car stiff steering either. Almost like the steering wheel didn't want to turn. When I compared this to the GTI, the steering just felt more accurate and precise.

[torquemada]

more the VW Scirocco R

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2232

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[random]

Originally Posted by torquemada

more the VW Scirocco R

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2232

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Sadly, the Scirocco isn't available in the United States.

The review in that video is one of the most uninspiring and boring ones I've ever heard. If that were audio only, I would have forgotten what car he was talking about because it was so dull.

[acheddadi]

Originally Posted by ryude

I have a GTI, it has a lot of body roll in the corners and there is tons of wheel hop in first and second gear if you try to use power in a turn. It's ok I guess, not a sports car but a sporty hatch.

Don't listen to this guy, a GTI is a very competent car especially in the twisties. Sadly a lot of people don't really get the concept of 'weight transfer' while taking corners and just let the chassis sort everything out for them (then complain about bodyroll, or understeer lol.)

Also, keep your traction control on if you're so bothered by wheel hop, the GTI isn't equipped with an LSD (so OBVIOUSLY will have wheel hop) but has a traction control that 'bypasses' the problem by lightly applying braking on the wheel (and not cutting off any power like most traction controls) that is slipping so that the power is sent to the other wheel with traction.

I think the FT-86 is a totally different kind of car and that there is no point in even trying to compare the two as they are both very competent cars at what they do. If you just want to know which one will be the fastest between red lights, then the GTI will probably win as it has much more torque and pretty high end rubber standard.

[ryude]

Originally Posted by acheddadi

Don't listen to this guy, a GTI is a very competent car especially in the twisties. Sadly a lot of people don't really get the concept of 'weight transfer' while taking corners and just let the chassis sort everything out for them (then complain about bodyroll, or understeer lol.)

Also, keep your traction control on if you're so bothered by wheel hop, the GTI isn't equipped with an LSD (so OBVIOUSLY will have wheel hop) but has a traction control that 'bypasses' the problem by lightly applying braking on the wheel (and not cutting off any power like most traction controls) that is slipping so that the power is sent to the other wheel with traction.

I think the FT-86 is a totally different kind of car and that there is no point in even trying to compare the two as they are both very competent cars at what they do. If you just want to know which one will be the fastest between red lights, then the GTI will probably win as it has much more torque and pretty high end rubber standard.

The GTI is OK, but it is definitely not going to provide the level of fun that a lightweight RWD coupe will. That is not an opinion it is a fact.

[CyberFormula]

Anti slip regulation will lower the power in the GTI when it detects a loss in traction. Only way to turn it off is through turning off traction control. This will also turn off the Electronic Differential Lock as well as Anti slip regulation.

On the newer GTI with the XDS, perhaps it is different.

[ryude]

Originally Posted by CyberFormula

Anti slip regulation will lower the power in the GTI when it detects a loss in traction. Only way to turn it off is through turning off traction control. This will also turn off the Electronic Differential Lock as well as Anti slip regulation.

On the newer GTI with the XDS, perhaps it is different.

You can never turn off traction control in the GTI, you can turn off ASR (Anti-Slip Regulation), only.

[CyberFormula]

On the 07 model that i have...it turns off both EDL and ASR. Only ABS stays active

[random]

Originally Posted by acheddadi

I think the FT-86 is a totally different kind of car and that there is no point in even trying to compare the two as they are both very competent cars at what they do.

The GTI and FR-S might be two very different cars, but that doesn't mean people won't cross-shop between them because they will likely have some overlapping price points. As such, it's still worth comparing the two against each other to understand the pros and cons of each.

[random]

Originally Posted by ryude

The GTI is OK, but it is definitely not going to provide the level of fun that a lightweight RWD coupe will. That is not an opinion it is a fact.

The only factual thing here is that "fun" is subjective to each individual, and each individual will have their own opinion of what's fun.

[switchlanez]

One aesthetic thing the GTi excels at is the wheel fitment. It sits more flush with a nice gap along wheel well. Many VWs I see on the road are like this. I don't understand why the FR-S/BRZ could not come like this from the factory.