We can almost beat a s2000!!!

[Sonolin]

Originally Posted by Opposed

We still have an advantage over a stock F20C, even with the torque dip. That is, until they hit VTEC, and we run out of steam...

Can't wait to see future N/A FA20 builds. I'd love a 9k rpm fa20, with better cams & internals. Probably get similar (if not better) power numbers to the f20c w/ vtec.

[sho220]

Originally Posted by sonnydelight

People still street race?

Why yes they do. And apparently it's all the rage these days to do it with children in the car.

http://jalopnik.com/baby-and-teenage...-rac-500301131
http://amarillo.com/news/local-news/...s-racing-wreck
http://redlands.patch.com/groups/edi...-injured-child
http://www.covnews.com/section/1/article/40920/
http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?se...cal&id=8862427

[Pbrown]

[QUOTE=mistressmotorsports;955705]Maybe or maybe not, just an opinion. In fact, we could turn this around and say that your can't get an FR-S for less than mid- $20's right now, but you can get an S2K for $15K (or less even.) So now you have $10k to put into the S2K and nothing to put into the FR-S. So, it just depends on how you look at it.

I understand what you are saying. I personally like comparing new to new. I have always liked knowing what every single mile on a car has gone through.

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by Opposed

Stock for stock the S2k will be quicker for sure. I had an AP1 with full bolt-ons and 4.77 gears. But I have no doubt that my FRS with E85 will pull nicely on one. Im only 7whp lower on the same dyno than my S2k put down, but lets talk about low end torque. My FRS is making 25-30 lb/ft more the entire rev range. My S2k only made 136tq at the whees, and it didn't see that until a little over 7k rpms. It had under 120 lb/ft below 6k. The FRS with a tune has gobs more torque, and better drivability around town IMO. I hated pulling away from stop lights in my S. Especially with the A/C on in the summer. What a dog!

That's because those bolt-ons did nothing or possibly even made you LOSE power. Definitely caused some heat soak based on your description too...

Stock for stock...

[civdaddy]

Hey op

Ask any racer, any real racer. It doesn't matter if you win by an inch or a mile; winning's winning.

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by mistressmotorsports

Maybe or maybe not, just an opinion. In fact, we could turn this around and say that your can't get an FR-S for less than mid- $20's right now, but you can get an S2K for $15K (or less even.) So now you have $10k to put into the S2K and nothing to put into the FR-S. So, it just depends on how you look at it.

I had an AP1 S2K before I got the FR-S. Both are great cars. I get about 2 mpg better in the FR-S, which is not really why I bought the car. I find them comparable in many respects. I do not find one to handle significantly better or worse than the other. They feel a little different, but I wouldn't say one was more capable on the street. The Honda (mine was stock, as is the FR-S) was obviously faster in a straight line. Haven't been to the track yet in the FR-S, so no comparison there. It was nice to put the top down on the Honda, I do miss that a bit.

Do I know you from s2ki?

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by Opposed

Stock for stock the S2k will be quicker for sure. I had an AP1 with full bolt-ons and 4.77 gears. But I have no doubt that my FRS with E85 will pull nicely on one. Im only 7whp lower on the same dyno than my S2k put down, but lets talk about low end torque. My FRS is making 25-30 lb/ft more the entire rev range. My S2k only made 136tq at the whees, and it didn't see that until a little over 7k rpms. It had under 120 lb/ft below 6k. The FRS with a tune has gobs more torque, and better drivability around town IMO. I hated pulling away from stop lights in my S. Especially with the A/C on in the summer. What a dog!

yeah e85 is kind of a big deal. of course running a different type of fuel is going to change things in a significant way.

[Mr.Jay]

Originally Posted by FRSfan111

I'm so jelly of you guys. All I have in Oregon is PIR...I have no cool track to even dream of getting to race on or even training on for that matter. Ever sice the rally crash years ago PIR does nothing :/. If my job didn't pay well I'd relocate.

Go to The Ridge its a pretty fun track with elevation changes and all


S2K kills our car stock for stock. I have had a quick pull against my friend and its as everyone says we get a head by a bit then vtec and we lose.

I am fine with people comparing the cars but think its a joke when people don't take into account the S2K was a 60k car brand new and came out during the peak of Hondas golden years where the FRS is the first for Toyota "fun" cars in like 15 years so it stands up pretty well imo

[Opposed]

Originally Posted by fatoni

yeah e85 is kind of a big deal. of course running a different type of fuel is going to change things in a significant way.

Not really, its only 10whp higher than my pumpgas tune... Not to mention that all the bolt-ons I had and the 4.77 gears were way more of a big deal and labor/cost intensive on my S2K than running a different fuel with a tune in my FRS. Not going to start another S2k vs FRS war, there are plenty on here. All that matters at the end of the day is that I enjoy the FRS on a daily basis far more than my S2k.

[CSI:86]

Originally Posted by Sonolin

I definitely agree with you. While I love my fr-s and can't wait to track it, I can't believe how fast some of these s2000's are...

(Track time n/a s2000 1:30.8x at Willow Springs)

I really don't get it, lol. That's faster than any 350z, or even 370z I've seen, and faster than most corvettes (stock form) except the zr1. In comparison, @robispec e85 fr-s with weight reduction +more hit a 1:35.x (which definitely isn't slow its just far from what I see these s2000's doing!)

FR-S definitely wins as a daily driver though, IMO.

Woah faster than any 370z?? Thats a very big overstatement. I use to have a 370z with injen dual intake and stillen exhaust and it would demolish the twins even we have a turbo. The 370z in the straight run on track would pull much harder than that s2000.

[WolfpackS2k]

Well a 370Z can't carry as much speed through turns as S2000s, so that probably has a lot to do with it.

[Whitigir]

Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k

Well a 370Z can't carry as much speed through turns as S2000s, so that probably has a lot to do with it.

Wut ?? Drift king from Fast and Furius drove 350Z unbeatable......wwwuuutttt ?

[CSI:86]

Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k

Well a 370Z can't carry as much speed through turns as S2000s, so that probably has a lot to do with it.

What part of "straight run on track" don't you understand?

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k

Well a 370Z can't carry as much speed through turns as S2000s, so that probably has a lot to do with it.

Oh it'll carry MORE speed than a S2000... on grip limited turns. You can stuff 285 square without even trying.