Why did you choose the BRZ over the FRS?

[Whitigir]

Originally Posted by fatoni

all that i listed were preferences. i just really wonder how much more visibility the hids provide


i would love to see the facts that drew you to these conclusions

[DeeezNuuuts83]

Originally Posted by qoncept

I haven't compared side by side with an FRS, but the HIDs on my BRZ are by far the best headlights I've ever seen.

Generally speaking, when cars are offered with both regular halogen projectors and also HIDs, there is a big difference between the two when the same projectors are used. I've had two Evo IXs -- one without HIDs (regular model) and one with HIDs (SE model), and the difference was significant. I wouldn't be surprised if the difference between the FR-S's halogens and the BRZ's HIDs was also very noticeable.

[DylanFRS]

Originally Posted by Whitigir

Because

1/ Toyota Draw the car...but Subaru Engineered the car, and Manufactured it

2/ Toyota Claims being a part of this, because it was Based on their AE86 platform, just new design.

3/ Toyota do only have the Direct Injections system in these car. That is it.

85% of this car = Subaru Engineered. Why wouldn't I want a product from the Original, and also the Manufacturer

Originally Posted by Whitigir

I love when people just find one thing some guy said in one video and then they don't even give out the whole truth of what that guys said...

Let's see, first, even if his blanket statement was true, he says "Toyota planned and designed the car, Subaru engineered and manufactured it"...

So to this question, "Why wouldn't I want a product from the Original, and also the Manufacturer", I would ask, Why wouldn't you want a product from the company that planned and designed the car rather than the company that did the grunt work in the CAD program and manufacturing?

Like I said, you obviously don't understand the difference between a design engineer and a project engineer.

I am a design engineer, I design, on a computer, the hydraulic systems for Cessna business jets. Whether or not the system leaks, works as planned, and making sure it can actually be built is my job. How the airplane actually turns out a full product is the culmination of a lot of things which are all overseen by the product engineer. He doesn't actually engineer or manufacture a thing.

On a side note, I really don't think Toyota designed the whole thing either, I think they designed, and Subaru designed. I agree that most of the lowest level engineering was definitely done by Subaru. But all the same, your statement is not only based on the subjective opinion of one journalist, but it also doesn't encompass the entire subjective opinion of what that journalist said. You pick and chose what you wanted from his opinion to suit your needs.

[Whitigir]

Originally Posted by DylanFRS

I love when people just find one thing some guy said in one video and then they don't even give out the whole truth of what that guys said...

Let's see, first, even if his blanket statement was true, he says "Toyota planned and designed the car, Subaru engineered and manufactured it"...

So to this question, "Why wouldn't I want a product from the Original, and also the Manufacturer", I would ask, Why wouldn't you want a product from the company that planned and designed the car rather than the company that did the grunt work in the CAD program and manufacturing?

Like I said, you obviously don't understand the difference between a design engineer and a project engineer.

I am a design engineer, I design, on a computer, the hydraulic systems for Cessna business jets. Whether or not the system leaks, works as planned, and making sure it can actually be built is my job. How the airplane actually turns out a full product is the culmination of a lot of things which are all overseen by the product engineer. He doesn't actually engineer or manufacture a thing.

On a side note, I really don't think Toyota designed the whole thing either, I think they designed, and Subaru designed. I agree that most of the lowest level engineering was definitely done by Subaru. But all the same, your statement is not only based on the subjective opinion of one journalist, but it also doesn't encompass the entire subjective opinion of what that journalist said. You pick and chose what you wanted from his opinion to suit your needs.

First of, my apologize to you and all of the design engineers there is. I studied in mechanical design as well, so I do understand how design engineering is different than project engineering. But both are hands in hands for the final product.

I don't know much about how the internal affair between Toyo-Suba is, but I did read since the car was just a proto type to a concept and until now.

What i gathered was.

1/ FRS was based on the same Dimensions, chasis, and platform the AE86 was. Toyota re-designed it based on the same specs, and improved it accordingly. Toyota then asked Suba to put the Flat engine in it for even a better Gravity point into the car.

2/ Subaru did accept the propose, and so here it is. Like you said, the plan was from Toyota, and the Manufacturing is from Subaru, and from Subaru Assembly line as well.

I agree that the car would be something else if it wasn't for Toyo-Suba. But that was my opinion

[genotype]

Purchased my DGM LTD AG for the following reasons:

1 - Push button start
2 - Leather
3 - Auto climate control

That made it worth the extra $. I was coming from an '08 Scion xB, so I was shopping the FRS first.

[Chee-Hu]

The BRZ just looks a lot better than the FRS in my eyes. I think the front end of the FRS is hideous. The HID, push start, auto climate, and interior were just bonuses.

[KelvinBRZ]

I opted for the BRZ Premium because:

1. HID lights, LED lights, huuuge fan of the "boomerang" LED strip. (LED DRL reminds me of the C-class Benz DRLs, LED strip reminds me of Audi A4s)
2. I personally prefer a smiley fascia versus an angry one.
3. Interior to me looked better, I prefer the silver trim versus the faux carbon fiber trim
4. Interior seats seemed better as well.
5. Navigation & homelink auto-dim mirror & compass (pretty nifty & convenient). Disliked the pioneer 1990s look on the FR-S audio system.
6. For $1200 more, I rather get the Subaru for stuff mentioned above & brand.
7. If Toyota sold the GT86 here, I think I would opt for a hot-lava one (:

[BRZJonny]

Interior (limited) and lights.

[DoomsdayJesus]

Originally Posted by DylanFRS

Your claim on #2 is just flat out false. They roll off the same assembly line.

#3 is totally subjective. The BRZ puts down better times stock because it is less prone to oversteer. It is completely a personal matter for which you prefer. If you don't track your car in stock form OR if you change anything in the suspension then the differences are meaningless...

No, it's not.
http://jalopnik.com/5916719/toyota-w...+s-body-panels
And I sat in an FR-S, I didn't care for the interior at all compared to the BRZ. I'm sure there are plenty of people who love their FR-S or plan to customize the hell out of it, but I don't like fussing over interiors or audio systems until long after I'm done tuning.

#3 is hard numbers put down by top drivers. I'm sorry if facts hurt feelings, but that doesn't make them any less factual. And what's more, it was done with a BRZ that wasn't through break-in and a broken in FR-S. So if you want something more drifty, go for it. Either one benefits tremendously from new wheels/tires or even just tires, that's pretty well established on here.

And the Subaru suspension was designed to be 10% stiffer.

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by DoomsdayJesus

No, it's not.
http://jalopnik.com/5916719/toyota-w...+s-body-panels
And I sat in an FR-S, I didn't care for the interior at all compared to the BRZ. I'm sure there are plenty of people who love their FR-S or plan to customize the hell out of it, but I don't like fussing over interiors or audio systems until long after I'm done tuning.

#3 is hard numbers put down by top drivers. I'm sorry if facts hurt feelings, but that doesn't make them any less factual. And what's more, it was done with a BRZ that wasn't through break-in and a broken in FR-S. So if you want something more drifty, go for it. Either one benefits tremendously from new wheels/tires or even just tires, that's pretty well established on here.

And the Subaru suspension was designed to be 10% stiffer.

can you explain what you mean by that?

[DoomsdayJesus]

Originally Posted by fatoni

can you explain what you mean by that?

Why don't you ask the god knows how many magazines that published it?

[jshadeck]

As tested by eibach, or so im reading

Car:Front OE Spring Rate:
Subaru BRZ27 N/mm (153 lbs/in)
Scion FR-S23 N/mm (131 lbs/in)

Rear OE Spring Rate:
Subaru BRZ34 N/mm (195 lbs/in)
Scion FR-S37 N/mm (211 lbs/in)

Front is stiffer rear is softer

Id like to know the ratio of brz owners who claim the brz handles better to the number of them that change the stock suspension anyways lol

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by DoomsdayJesus

Why don't you ask the god knows how many magazines that published it?

way to be a ****. i wasnt trying to instigate or anything. i just didnt know if you meant that the spring rates were higher (which according to the post below, you are wrong) or if it was the dampers. the problem is that you used a really specific, quantitative number to describe a very vague, qualitative aspect of the car.

Originally Posted by jshadeck

As tested by eibach, or so im reading

Car:Front OE Spring Rate:
Subaru BRZ27 N/mm (153 lbs/in)
Scion FR-S23 N/mm (131 lbs/in)

Rear OE Spring Rate:
Subaru BRZ34 N/mm (195 lbs/in)
Scion FR-S37 N/mm (211 lbs/in)

Front is stiffer rear is softer

Id like to know the ratio of brz owners who claim the brz handles better to the number of them that change the stock suspension anyways lol

[LeeMaster]

Originally Posted by qoncept

I haven't compared side by side with an FRS, but the HIDs on my BRZ are by far the best headlights I've ever seen.

Dont forget the LEDs, I love driving during cloudy/rainy days where I'll just blast the LED and daytime running lights and cruise around looking cool as fuck.