Questions and Discussion on Vortech Supercharging Systems

[Sportsguy83]

Originally Posted by Sniper2606

By adding the SC kit do we still use the stock 0-20w oil? does it change the 3k mile change?

How often does the SC kit need maintenance?

Oil change interval is not 3K miles, its 7500 miles. You also keep using 0w-20

[Foobar]

Originally Posted by Sniper2606

By adding the SC kit do we still use the stock 0-20w oil? does it change the 3k mile change?

How often does the SC kit need maintenance?

SC needs its own oil change at 2.5k then every 7.5k thereafter. Best to try and coincide it with your engine oil change.

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[Sniper2606]

Originally Posted by Sportsguy83

Oil change interval is not 3K miles, its 7500 miles. You also keep using 0w-20

Right, sorry 3k is for first oil change

[Dezoris]

Has anyone done a UOA on their car with a Vortech yet to confirm that the extra heat etc is not breaking down the additive packages faster? Given how hot the oil runs why is it better to keep 0w20?

[Sportsguy83]

Originally Posted by Dezoris

Has anyone done a UOA on their car with a Vortech yet to confirm that the extra heat etc is not breaking down the additive packages faster? Given how hot the oil runs why is it better to keep 0w20?

I didn't mean to say 0w-20 is better, just that you can still use it. For someone who drives HARD (and I know you do) go minimum 0w-30. Did you add a Catch Can for the breather? I know you had one already for the PCV. I'm turbo and running 0w-30.

[DJCarbine]

Where is the best place to install a catch can? The PCV line (which has the checkvalve included in the vortech kit) or the breather hose that goes to the airbox?

I'm assuming with the checkvalve there is no airflow in the PCV line during boost, so does it makes more sense to have a catch can installed on the breather hose?

[Sportsguy83]

Originally Posted by DJCarbine

Where is the best place to install a catch can? The PCV line (which has the checkvalve included in the vortech kit) or the breather hose that goes to the airbox?

I'm assuming with the checkvalve there is no airflow in the PCV line during boost, so does it makes more sense to have a catch can installed on the breather hose?

When you go FI, on both.

[Dezoris]

Originally Posted by Sportsguy83

I didn't mean to say 0w-20 is better, just that you can still use it. For someone who drives HARD (and I know you do) go minimum 0w-30. Did you add a Catch Can for the breather? I know you had one already for the PCV. I'm turbo and running 0w-30.

Thats probably what I will wind up switching too. Trying to figure out the oil cooler situation as well.

I have the catch can on both lines now PCV and Breather.

[Darryljr11]

I think mobil 1 ow20 doesnt suffer performancewise till up to 400 degrees but i cant find anywhere what the optimal operating oil temp for the engine is.

[pheoxs]

Has anyone experimented with dual maps for the Vortech / EcuTek setups? We don't have E85 here, at all, its simply not available and its not feasible to drive to the states to fill up.

That being said, seeing the difference between the stg 1 pump gas setup (250whp) and the e85 setup by a fellow member (370whp) has me thinking of options the last while.

Its possible to run Water/Meth injection to boost the octane level, that's easy enough. But how does a fail safe system work with the vortech unit? You can't exactly cut boost like you can with an electronic boost controller. Can we pull enough timing to make it safe on pump gas? (either the stock or smaller pulley).

What I'd like to run is a WMI setup with a fail safe that switches to a second non WMI map that is nice and safe to daily drive around. Then down the road I'd like to wire my own flip switch that would a) put the ecu in non WMI mode and b) disable the WMI pump so that I can drive around daily and not burn water/meth all the time since the supercharger is always in boost (though with the bypass open this might not be needed at all?) . Basically only use it for track / spirited driving use, similar to how nitrous systems can be armed and used whenever needed.

The flip switch part would be a later addition, right now I'm just trying to figure out how EcuTek would play with a dual map setup. Given the FlexFuel setup @Visconti is doing, I'm assuming there's a way to run dual maps off an external trigger?

[Raven604]

This is exactly what I am looking to do also. WMI with his kit on 94 should hopefully put me close to 300whp with exhaust and fuel mods. That would be ideal.

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[Adeets]

Originally Posted by pheoxs

Has anyone experimented with dual maps for the Vortech / EcuTek setups? We don't have E85 here, at all, its simply not available and its not feasible to drive to the states to fill up.

That being said, seeing the difference between the stg 1 pump gas setup (250whp) and the e85 setup by a fellow member (370whp) has me thinking of options the last while.

Its possible to run Water/Meth injection to boost the octane level, that's easy enough. But how does a fail safe system work with the vortech unit? You can't exactly cut boost like you can with an electronic boost controller. Can we pull enough timing to make it safe on pump gas? (either the stock or smaller pulley).



What I'd like to run is a WMI setup with a fail safe that switches to a second non WMI map that is nice and safe to daily drive around. Then down the road I'd like to wire my own flip switch that would a) put the ecu in non WMI mode and b) disable the WMI pump so that I can drive around daily and not burn water/meth all the time since the supercharger is always in boost (though with the bypass open this might not be needed at all?) . Basically only use it for track / spirited driving use, similar to how nitrous systems can be armed and used whenever needed.

The flip switch part would be a later addition, right now I'm just trying to figure out how EcuTek would play with a dual map setup. Given the FlexFuel setup @Visconti is doing, I'm assuming there's a way to run dual maps off an external trigger?

Couldn't you just run an electronic boost control valve, and when your under say E40 limit the boost to 10lbs, and then when your over E40 allow it the full 13psi, or what ever the 2.9 pully equates to?
@Visconti @moto-mike @Brian@Vortech

I use E to symbolize your switch on/map 1 or your switch off/map 2

[pheoxs]

Originally Posted by Adeets

Couldn't you just run an electronic boost control valve, and when your under say E40 limit the boost to 10lbs, and then when your over E40 allow it the full 13psi, or what ever the 2.9 pully equates to?
@Visconti @moto-mike @Brian@Vortech

I use E to symbolize your switch on/map 1 or your switch off/map 2

That's possible, I know Gem was working on a waste gate on his supercharger but I haven't followed that thread much lately due to various things that happened plus been busy.

Based on what I've looked at, even with the same sized pulley, you can make a lot more power on E85 due to already pulling timing as the boost builds up on 94. You can see this in any of the pump gas tunes, the torque curve levels off way too soon even though the unit is building boost up, running E85 or 94/WMI will let me make way more top end power even without swapping to the smaller pulley.

[Adeets]

Originally Posted by pheoxs

That's possible, I know Gem was working on a waste gate on his supercharger but I haven't followed that thread much lately due to various things that happened plus been busy.

Based on what I've looked at, even with the same sized pulley, you can make a lot more power on E85 due to already pulling timing as the boost builds up on 94. You can see this in any of the pump gas tunes, the torque curve levels off way too soon even though the unit is building boost up, running E85 or 94/WMI will let me make way more top end power even without swapping to the smaller pulley.

I think I would rather run the pully to utilize e85, and clip the boost progress with an EBC when running E10 then let the car pull the timing to cope with the extra boost being shoved down its throat.

@moto-mike @Visconti @Brian@Vortech
How hard could this be? And the EBC locate it on the inter cooler, so it does fuck with the throttle body flow?
@2forme can you contact gem and find out if he's completed this yet? Have him throw me a PM, also while you had your vortech did you try something like this?