FR-S vs S2000

[cassidy0998]

Originally Posted by Driftster

Give up the S2000 for a drawing of a car which has no specifications what so ever?

That sounds like a horrible idea..

As for the "huge difference" in these cars being the ability to transport 4 tires and 1 passenger as compared to the s2000's 4 tires and zero passengers... That's a silly line to draw imho.

As for Cassidy's inability to decide whether to get a S2000 or wait for a BRZ..


Here's how you can come up with a conclusive answer....



Does the thought of a 300HP RWD 4 cylinder import slowly turn into a want/desire and goal/objective?

If so only one of those two will see 300HP without having your "new car" be out of commission for weeks or potentially months at a time.

Would you want a 4 cylinder RWD car that can be as fast as it sounds in the upper RPM range, or are you content with your car screaming around the residential streets in a fit of africanized killer bee rage as it struggles to break the school zone speed limit.

Driftster, you made a very good point - It is silly to consider things like hauling tires around and carrying a passenger, I'm just trying to look at the big picture. And that's something I would have to do.. carry tires and a passenger. Reliability is a tremendous factor. That SC looks like a nice setup on that s2000, but how does it hold up at 300whp? Do people daily drive them like that and do okay?

And also, don't those SC kits run around $5000? Then another $3,500 or so to get someone to install/tune it?

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It would cost less to EJ swap the AS1(FT86). Not worth it IMO.

[switchlanez]

Against a stook CR? Man... tough question. Those will stay way more exclusive and my taste tends towards exclusivity. But I choose Toyobaru because I prefer a roofed unibody (coming from owning a hardtopped roadster).

[cassidy0998]

I suppose $10,000 on top of a used S2000 in good condition for $20k with 50k miles on it for 300hp is a little much. It sounds like a blast, but I've owned boosted cars. Extra hp isn't the only thing that interests me anymore.

If the FR-S ends up coming out with the option for a TRD s/c kit I will most likely be all over that. Will probably only give it about a 40hp increase but I feel that that is all it will need. Those looking for more power will most likely just be doing swaps.

I'm guessing stock for stock with S2000 will be 1 secondish quicker in the 1/4 mile than the FR-S/BRZ. S2000s run 14s don't they?

[RYU]

Originally Posted by cassidy0998

I suppose $10,000 on top of a used S2000 in good condition for $20k with 50k miles on it for 300hp is a little much. It sounds like a blast, but I've owned boosted cars. Extra hp isn't the only thing that interests me anymore.

If the FR-S ends up coming out with the option for a TRD s/c kit I will most likely be all over that. Will probably only give it about a 40hp increase but I feel that that is all it will need. Those looking for more power will most likely just be doing swaps.

I'm guessing stock for stock with S2000 will be 1 secondish quicker in the 1/4 mile than the FR-S/BRZ. S2000s run 14s don't they?

I completely agree. I currently own a Comptech Supercharged NSX. It's a hoot to drive but the more I track it the more I wish I kept it stock. On the track, i'm not really that much faster than an N/A and on some really tight tracks i'd be surprised if I was any faster at all. The thing heatsoaks after a long'ish session. Then you have to worry about an intercooler/aftercooler or meth/water and a standalone...the worry list just keeps on getting longer.

My Tacoma is also TRD supercharged. It's great to drive everyday but it too heatsoaks mildly on hot socal days.

$0.02... On a daily driver the SC is great. I actually prefer it. For a car that will see some (or a lot) of track time I prefer N/A and N/A bone stock really with a proper oil cooler and trans fluid cooler if auto. If not N/A i'd consider a turbo with a fat I/C.

Sometimes the confidence of being able to get home w/o having to call a tow truck is worth more than 50-75hp.

[colatkitty]

Originally Posted by Driftster

Give up the S2000 for a drawing of a car which has no specifications what so ever?

That sounds like a horrible idea..

As for the "huge difference" in these cars being the ability to transport 4 tires and 1 passenger as compared to the s2000's 4 tires and zero passengers... That's a silly line to draw imho.

As for Cassidy's inability to decide whether to get a S2000 or wait for a BRZ..


Here's how you can come up with a conclusive answer....



Does the thought of a 300HP RWD 4 cylinder import slowly turn into a want/desire and goal/objective?

If so only one of those two will see 300HP without having your "new car" be out of commission for weeks or potentially months at a time.

Would you want a 4 cylinder RWD car that can be as fast as it sounds in the upper RPM range, or are you content with your car screaming around the residential streets in a fit of africanized killer bee rage as it struggles to break the school zone speed limit.

Everyone has different priorities as to what they want out of their car. For me, handling, fun to drive, lightweight, and some practicality are very important.

I still love my S2K to death. I've owned it for more than 6 years, and over the years have transformed it into my ultimate track toy. For me, it's not about all out horsepower or straight line speed, as my engine has been kept completely stock besides intake and exhaust. Since I have owned and tracked my S2k for so long, I am just looking for a new car and a new challenge.

Then the FSR/BRZ comes along. This car has all the features I am looking for; lightweight, balanced, good handling, a fixed roof, and more space for carrying wheels/tires (something I could not do with my S2k). Even though it may not quite match the S2k in terms of pure performance, I still think it has great potential. I know I can still have tons of fun with it for many more years to come.

Here is a recent pic of my S2K.

[colatkitty]

Originally Posted by RYU

I completely agree. I currently own a Comptech Supercharged NSX. It's a hoot to drive but the more I track it the more I wish I kept it stock. On the track, i'm not really that much faster than an N/A and on some really tight tracks i'd be surprised if I was any faster at all. The thing heatsoaks after a long'ish session. Then you have to worry about an intercooler/aftercooler or meth/water and a standalone...the worry list just keeps on getting longer.

My Tacoma is also TRD supercharged. It's great to drive everyday but it too heatsoaks mildly on hot socal days.

$0.02... On a daily driver the SC is great. I actually prefer it. For a car that will see some (or a lot) of track time I prefer N/A and N/A bone stock really with a proper oil cooler and trans fluid cooler if auto. If not N/A i'd consider a turbo with a fat I/C.

Sometimes the confidence of being able to get home w/o having to call a tow truck is worth more than 50-75hp.

^^^ agree with this 100%

[AaronCompNetSys]

colatkitty, you could pass your S2K off to me, I promise to take care of it

I know what you mean by looking for something new, I'm looking for something new to challenge myself now that I've got the hang of the S2K. I'm guessing that since I already have the top two handling street cars on my list I need something more off the wall.

[random]

Originally Posted by AaronCompNetSys

I know what you mean by looking for something new, I'm looking for something new to challenge myself now that I've got the hang of the S2K. I'm guessing that since I already have the top two handling street cars on my list I need something more off the wall.

Are the top two handling streets (for you) the two in your sig? "01' S2000; 05' WRX"

[AaronCompNetSys]

Originally Posted by random

Are the top two handling streets (for you) the two in your sig? "01' S2000; 05' WRX"

Yeah, that meet my reliability and affordability requirements. Year round any weather fun.

[ft86Fan]

@colatkitty, thats a good looking S2K you got there.

I sold my low mileage 08 S2000 CR so that I can get the FRS/BRZ when it comes out. Do I miss the S2K? Sure I do. But there are a few short comings of the S2K that the FRS/BRZ does not have. Of course money can solve all these issues but thats not the point.
1) Convertible - That means I need to get a rollbar for track and also even a relatively new CR flexes in the corners.
2) 2 Seater - That means can't transport tires. Don't want to have to add a hitch and trailer to transport tires.
3) High Seating Position - The high position with no height adjustment really bothered me. I need to slough in order to see out the car clearly.
4) Gas Mileage - Not very fuel effecient.
5) Discontinued - Well, parts will eventually be less and less available and aftermarket support will be less and less.
6) Short Throw Shifter - Some people like it but I prefer the regular S2000 shifter.

[Marrk]

Originally Posted by ft86Fan

@colatkitty, thats a good looking S2K you got there.

I sold my low mileage 08 S2000 CR so that I can get the FRS/BRZ when it comes out. Do I miss the S2K? Sure I do. But there are a few short comings of the S2K that the FRS/BRZ does not have. Of course money can solve all these issues but thats not the point.
1) Convertible - That means I need to get a rollbar for track and also even a relatively new CR flexes in the corners.
2) 2 Seater - That means can't transport tires. Don't want to have to add a hitch and trailer to transport tires.
3) High Seating Position - The high position with no height adjustment really bothered me. I need to slough in order to see out the car clearly.
4) Gas Mileage - Not very fuel effecient.
5) Discontinued - Well, parts will eventually be less and less available and aftermarket support will be less and less.
6) Short Throw Shifter - Some people like it but I prefer the regular S2000 shifter.

Do you think that the driving experience in the FRS will be more involving, more direct, more uncompromising that the CR? If so, and you are right, I'll be really pleased.

[AaronCompNetSys]

Originally Posted by ft86Fan

3) High Seating Position - The high position with no height adjustment really bothered me. I need to slough in order to see out the car clearly.

You should have ordered brackets as soon as you sat in the car. Ordered mine and they were hand made and shipped to me from Japan in a couple months. Couple years later, I've got even better seats that are just as low. Sold the brackets for purchase price, and sold the OEM seats to recoupe half the cost of my custom seat project.

Don't blame the manufacturer for not giving you a seat that fits your body, just do it yourself.

Originally Posted by Marrk

Do you think that the driving experience in the FRS will be more involving, more direct, more uncompromising that the CR?

I'd have to say that I'm 80% sure that the FT-86 variants will be way softer than an S2K. It will have that same flavor, but not as spicy.

[Marrk]

Originally Posted by AaronCompNetSys

I'd have to say that I'm 80% sure that the FT-86 variants will be way softer than an S2K. It will have that same flavor, but not as spicy.

Yeah, the FT-86 will be addressed to a broader market.

Let's not forget that the s2k barely found a market (in the U.S., at least).