Crawford Performance BRZ (450 HP) review by Matt Farah (Drive)

[GNS]

Buy $25k car
Put $30k mods in it

Sounds legit

[King Tut]

Originally Posted by kkakonn

Matt Farah mentions it in the comments section:

"They are coming out with a consumer-grade Turbo setup next month, and will release pricing then. This car is currently on ebay with a starting bid at $60k, and Quirt told me that they plan to get 'a little bit less out of it than they have into it.' Granted, this was the first one, so it's probably a lot, but I wouldn't be surprised if $15k got you this exact setup once it's available for sale."

There you go @Supermassive . Get yours up on eBay for less than $60k and see if you can sell it before he does.

[Whitigir]

Originally Posted by KevinBRZ

Even though this is really nice, the cost is too much to justify putting into a new car for most people. After you do the block, head, turbo, exhaust, bigger tires, transmission, cooling to make this all work together, you would probably be in another $30K at the minimum. It would make more sense to spend the $50-$60k on a new car with the power like DarkSunrise said.

Now if you want to take an old car like an S14 and put $30K in, that's different.

Remember also, there is no warranty of any kind. I would buy the C7 Bare bone for 55k plus tax. That thing is a beast

[Meehow86]

Originally Posted by DarkSunrise

Just wish Ford would slash 1000 lbs off its weight and cut its size/height.

The next gen is supposed to do just that.

[Tim_Asphalt_FRS]

Originally Posted by GNS

Buy $25k car
Put $30k mods in it

Sounds legit

"This will desimate all. After we put $25 grand in it or more. And we'll overnight parts from Japan"


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[jkonquer]

comparing to the cost to build a ej25 motor from Crawford, you probably be looking to spend anywhere form $13k to $17k. which is not bad considering, you will be getting reliable, track proven, and warranty that comes with the Crawford. Crawford will take care of you, trust me everyone in Sti forum should know.

now as far as review, that was pretty horrible review. only thing good was to hearing the build from the owner. wish they talked more about actual build

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by DarkSunrise

Seems like heat is a major problem with these aftermarket FI kits. Shows the advantages of going with a factory-built car like the GT500, which not only has a better p/w ratio and factory warranty, but was also designed not to overheat under harsh track conditions. Just wish Ford would slash 1000 lbs off its weight and cut its size/height.

A stock GT500 WILL NOT survive track duty with an experienced driver. It's a street car.

[swift996]

Originally Posted by Whitigir

Remember also, there is no warranty of any kind. I would buy the C7 Bare bone for 55k plus tax. That thing is a beast

If you like your john boat with wheels.

I'm wondering how the tune works with this set up. If it's consistent and feels OEM.

[raul]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

A stock GT500 WILL NOT survive track duty with an experienced driver. It's a street car.

^ This.

I saw a Boss 302 boil his fluid and glaze his pads at Sebring by the 2nd session. And it's more of a track car than the GT500.

[zaptorque]

Why is everyone so focused on the price? The fact that they were able to pump out this much power in a 2.0 4cyl/2800lb car is impressive as hell.

[Tim_Asphalt_FRS]

Originally Posted by swift996

I'm wondering how the tune works with this set up. If it's consistent and feels OEM.

Visconti tuned it and drove it. Maybe be knows more.


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[DarkSunrise]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

A stock GT500 WILL NOT survive track duty with an experienced driver. It's a street car.

Originally Posted by raul

^ This.

I saw a Boss 302 boil his fluid and glaze his pads at Sebring by the 2nd session. And it's more of a track car than the GT500.

I don't have any personal track experience with the GT500, but the new model is supposed to be track-worthy according to Ford, which made repeated lapping a development priority. Compared to the 2012 model, the 2013 has upgraded fuel pump, injectors, clutch, rad fan, three-row intercooler, tranny oil pump, and larger front brembos. The track pack adds transmission cooler, differential cooler, and oil cooler.

Can't vouch for it, but I would think with those upgrades and stock functional vents, it'd be able to stand up to some track abuse. Could be wrong though.

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by DarkSunrise

I don't have any personal track experience with the GT500, but the new model is supposed to be track-worthy according to Ford, which made repeated lapping a development priority. Compared to the 2012 model, the 2013 has upgraded fuel pump, injectors, clutch, rad fan, three-row intercooler, tranny oil pump, and larger front brembos. The track pack adds transmission cooler, differential cooler, and oil cooler.

Can't vouch for it, but I would think with those upgrades and stock functional vents, it'd be able to stand up to some track abuse. Could be wrong though.

A stock GT-R overheats in the hands of an intermediate level driver. If repeated lapping were a priority, the GT500 would come with race pads, or be offered with it from the factory. They're not.

None of those additions you listed help with keeping the engine itself cool, which is the issue.

I'd love to see the Crawford BRZ on track being driven hard...

[DarkSunrise]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

A stock GT-R overheats in the hands of an intermediate level driver. If repeated lapping were a priority, the GT500 would come with race pads, or be offered with it from the factory. They're not.

None of those additions you listed help with keeping the engine itself cool, which is the issue.

I'd love to see the Crawford BRZ on track being driven hard...

Sorry forgot to mention they added additional coolant passages to the engine. There's also a quote floating around out there by SVT's lead engineer saying the track pack GT500 was designed for accomplished drivers who track their cars. I'm sure like most production cars it'll run into some issues eventually on the track in the hands of a good driver (pads like you said look to be an issue), but I think it's a different car from the old GT500 everyone's thinking about. And certainly it'll hold up better to repeated lapping than the CP BRZ, which apparently was overheating in that video just in street driving.