Innovate/Spritex/Bullet... What I found searching the web.

[TemeCal]

Originally Posted by 2forme

Why should he? To appease a few people?

There's a lot of speculation, and the sad truth is that no one here really knows what's going on. A tune is the easier part of this products release. If it were only the tune that was the issue, then it would be resolved already. Tuners are a dime a dozen on here. I'm sure if they were desperate and the better tuner isn't available, they could at least get a working map for release. But no, that hasn't happened.

I'll add my own speculation. Anyone notice how things got really quiet once Vortech announced their upgraded compressor and people were actually making decent power? Perhaps the original power results on this kit weren't amazing and entering a market that was already dominated by a unit recently updated left them scrambling for a better design. Vortech was a lot easier to compete with when it was 215-225whp.... just saying...

I'm not here to spar with you, @2forme . We all know you're a turbo guy, and sleeping in JV's camp. That's fine. But, if JV really did cause issues with Innovate testing, then that affects Innovate's business and all of us as consumers. JV has plenty of time to pump up his ego on this forum, plenty of time to say how incredible he is, plenty of time to proclaim he is the leader of tuning...yet he has zero time to comment on this???

Again, I don't know the specifics. I'm just saying he's been called out a few times already, and hasn't replied. And I thought of all people, you were the "truth seeker"? Don't you want to hear what JV has to say?

[ATL BRZ]

Originally Posted by Draco-REX

If Vortec used straight-cut gears in its compressor gearbox there would be a lot fewer people waiting on this blower. I know I'd have a harder time resisting my current urge to drop the hammer on a Vortec kit right now..

If I'm understanding this correctly, straight-cut gears would build boost quicker at low rpms and require a wastegate in order to bleed off excess boost at higher rpms? What else am I missing? Why wouldn't Vortech go with those type of gears in the first place? A little explanation would be great.

[Sportsguy83]

Originally Posted by TemeCal

We all know you're a turbo guy, and sleeping in JV's camp. That's fine.

I LOL'd..... hard!!

[Mars2]

straight cut gear is too loud for most of the customer.
And I think it's the gear artio that is important not if it's straight cut or not. straight cut just make it more heavy duty. Or did I get every thing wrong?

Anyway it's of topic here in sprintex thread

[Hawaiian]

Originally Posted by TemeCal

I'm not here to spar with you, @2forme . We all know you're a turbo guy, and sleeping in JV's camp. That's fine. But, if JV really did cause issues with Innovate testing, then that affects Innovate's business and all of us as consumers. JV has plenty of time to pump up his ego on this forum, plenty of time to say how incredible he is, plenty of time to proclaim he is the leader of tuning...yet he has zero time to comment on this???

Again, I don't know the specifics. I'm just saying he's been called out a few times already, and hasn't replied. And I thought of all people, you were the "truth seeker"? Don't you want to hear what JV has to say?

Actually he's not. What he is is a bit of a devils advocate, and likes to ask a lot of questions and pick apart any inconsistency he sees be it real or perceived.

[TemeCal]

Originally Posted by Hawaiian

Actually he's not. What he is is a bit of a devils advocate, and likes to ask a lot of questions and pick apart any inconsistency he sees be it real or perceived.

That's my point...why is @2forme so afraid to hear from JV then? Even if @Visconti can't disclose much, he should at least be man enough to reply and say "they had issues, but can't disclose anything at this moment".

Edit: I apologize for derailing this thread. I just want to hear JV's side of the story, since he's been called out numerous times. I'll stop cluttering the thread.

[Mars2]

for exemple on the V9 g-trim straight cut gear is 3.45:1 and standard is 3.61:1
So on that charger you make more boost for a given engine RPM with standard gear than straight cut. Plus straight cut is screaming!!!!

[2forme]

Originally Posted by TemeCal

I'm not here to spar with you, @2forme . We all know you're a turbo guy, and sleeping in JV's camp. That's fine. But, if JV really did cause issues with Innovate testing, then that affects Innovate's business and all of us as consumers. JV has plenty of time to pump up his ego on this forum, plenty of time to say how incredible he is, plenty of time to proclaim he is the leader of tuning...yet he has zero time to comment on this???

Again, I don't know the specifics. I'm just saying he's been called out a few times already, and hasn't replied. And I thought of all people, you were the "truth seeker"? Don't you want to hear what JV has to say?

LOL. You obviously don't like JV. That's fine. I'm more focused on what the actual hold up might be. I'm saying the tune isn't it most likely.

Let me ask you this. If JV messed up their testing... uhh... 3-4 months ago? Then why haven't they just gotten another tuner? What about Tony? or Jeff? or Bob? It would be a hell of a lot cheaper to fly all three of those guys in at once, put them up in a Hilton and feed them filet mignon, than to lose 3-4 months of potential business in a rapidly budding market, especially with the hype that was built around this unit.

[Draco-REX]

Originally Posted by ATL BRZ

If I'm understanding this correctly, straight-cut gears would build boost quicker at low rpms and require a wastegate in order to bleed off excess boost at higher rpms? What else am I missing? Why wouldn't Vortech go with those type of gears in the first place? A little explanation would be great.

It's a lot less complicated and a lot more superficial. Straight-cut gears whine when put under load. Watch an in-car video of a dedicated racecar and you'll hear a similar whine from the tranmission because it has straight-cut gears for strength.

Twin Screw SCs make a loud whining noise when under load that a lot of people like. Vortech uses helical-cut gears to keep noise down because they sell a lot of street applications. So it would be harder to tell the car is supercharged by ear alone. I think there's only a faint whine at really high RPMs.

Here's a comparison, top are Helical, bottom are straight cut. (linked due to HUGE size)
http://image.streetrodderweb.com/f/3..._cut_gears.jpg

[Sportsguy83]

Originally Posted by Draco-REX

Here's a comparison, top are Helical, bottom are straight cut. (linked due to HUGE size)
http://image.streetrodderweb.com/f/3..._cut_gears.jpg

Just a quick pointer, the forum was updated sometime ago, and now when you link a huge photo it will automatically scale it down and allow users to open/close it by clicking on the top yellow bar to see full size. This only works for linked pictures though, not for attachments. :happy0180:

[Calum]

Originally Posted by robispec

Installed today tuning thursday

Originally Posted by robispec

Yes I'm under a non disclosure.
Car will be at MRLS sunday on track.
Install went suprizingly easy. Instructions easy to follow.

nineteen minutes between posts. Mother of god, it took less then 19 minutes to install the kit.

[Accurate Race Shop]

Ok because I got a message about it and it may persuade some people sprintex uses a company in Malaysia for the metal components of the kit. I personally have have been reading the Jeep forums looking for any failures or issues from people running a sprintex kit. I have yet to find one that has failed but the kits using Malaysia parts are only about a year old. It could be a long term issue but I personally have a lot of faith in sprintex quality control and do not believe that they are any less reliable because of the new stamping company they are using.

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[ATL BRZ]

Originally Posted by Draco-REX

It's a lot less complicated and a lot more superficial. Straight-cut gears whine when put under load. Watch an in-car video of a dedicated racecar and you'll hear a similar whine from the tranmission because it has straight-cut gears for strength.

Twin Screw SCs make a loud whining noise when under load that a lot of people like. Vortech uses helical-cut gears to keep noise down because they sell a lot of street applications. So it would be harder to tell the car is supercharged by ear alone. I think there's only a faint whine at really high RPMs.

Here's a comparison, top are Helical, bottom are straight cut. (linked due to HUGE size)
http://image.streetrodderweb.com/f/3..._cut_gears.jpg

I knew the sound differences already. What I'm still not clear on if there are any performance advantages to straight-cut gears in a Centri SC unit over Helical gears.

[Draco-REX]

Originally Posted by Calum

nineteen minutes between posts. Mother of god, it took less then 19 minutes to install the kit.

lol. The first post was past-tense.