LOLing at the guys on the370z.com

[PAImportTuner]

Originally Posted by phenoyz

Then my question is?

What car has the OVER-ALL Package rolled into one???

1) A car that can go very FAST in a straight line
2) Is also very good in the track/auto cross
3) reliable/practical to maintain
4) reasonably priced, fun and affordable

Does this car exist?

Sorry, tried to resist the G card. Current Genesis 2.0 Track or RSpec, and the new 274hp 2.0T is the cat's meow.

Again sorry but the damn Hyundai defies all laws of automotive pricing and performance but does a good job at burning your eyes with it's looks and causing numbness to the hands with it's interior design. I'm sure Hyundai is the most hated manufacturer, they're like the Walmart of auto manufacturers. LMAO

[EJ20]

And I really am scared that regular people (Non-Enthusiast, Non-Aware people) are going to look at a spec list, just like these guys, and be like, "Well, this car is dumb

+1

This is very normal where I live in middle east
Every time I talk about this car with my friends they just gags at how stupid, lame, powerless the Japanese cars! Even the gtr is lame in their eyes!

Damn, they tell me to have a v8 sports car if I want a real sports car! or at least grow up and buy an suv (damn, people here do love suv so much)

I had this love to japanese sports cars since I got my driving permit in 2001, and I always hear people around my talking fun about my miata, impreza, ae86, and now the ft86!
If you come here, you hardly see 1 or 2 sports car, but within 1 minute you see thousands of suv's and trucks, heck even kids here drive suv and think they are cool :P

For people here in middle east they only car how big your engine is, and how heavy/big your car is.
If you drive a small/sports car (like the impreza for example) make sure your flame suit is on (damn I hate the car culture here)

[fito68]

Funny you bring up the Z. I currently have the o6 z33 with the VQ35DER. I love the look and feel of the car but im hesitating because of the power loss. Ya i know that there will be aftermarket parts to get some of that power back and keep the better handling but the Z is what i learned alot in it so im still deliberating...

[Mitch]

Originally Posted by Driftster

LOL maybe where you live bud which might be the land of inflatable prices..but good condition..
and i mean good as in sub 130,000 miles..
Leather in good condition with maybe some fade spots, no signs of the tell tale arizona cracked dash in the EXACT same spot all e36's crack..

all working power parts from windows to sunroof to seat heaters..
good tires, a metal water pump to replace the factory POS (meziere) good brakes etc...just mileage and....i dunno ..dull paint?


Isn't going to run you 12,000...12,000 is going to get you some beat to crap tuner M3 with subs amps ugly rims limo tint and lord knows what other problems the engine has seen.. 12,000 for an e36 M3 is an absurd price here...That thing better be a limited edition or come with a built in BJ machine for that price...

---p.s. After a quick jaunt on craigs list it's EXACTLY as i said, the ONLY e36 M3's in your 10,000 price range

is one with the exterior in horribly worn condition, the interior has been dyed 2 tone Black and brown..The trunk has 2 knock off 12" speakers and the engine bay is filthy..

The second has a set of black powdercoated 650i 7 spoke ugly as sin wheels and a poorly paint matched spoiler..

Meanwhile in the real world, 5,000 for a e36 m3 on m3 wheels, clean inside and out..No rips in the leather, only downside appears to be the poor choice in head unit, which is a kenwood, which one can assume was the popular model at the time of purchase install..


Oh and to throw your "12,000 dollar e36 m3" idea a bone..There is a m3 for 12,900.. with a cold weather package, clean inside and out, the only issue is.. It's a e46 M3....so eeeeeee wrong..

And why in the hell are you bringing in CSL's into the picture dude? Are you pulling models/specs out of some wiki article or something? Bringing up a CSL you might as well ask for a Alpina e30 335i or some other sought after off the wall model that will run through the roof prices just based on exclusivity.

As for "not putting it in the reliable column" would you care to explain to me why?

I'm assuming you have some insider knowledge that would put you in the "in the know" side of this discussion considering my past m3 was somehow now "unreliable"
Especially considering most "replacement upgrades" runs cheaper than OEM...but i guess that's a bad thing, must be why this car appeals to you so much you would much rather buy factory items than upgrade the car, this car all but makes sure you never upgrade the car outside of a toyota lot.

As for not fast in a straight line, Apparently mid 5 seconds 0-60 is slow now.

So let's see what else is considered "slow in a straight line"

300C Hemi
MB e550
Ferrari Testarossa
BMW 335i
BMW 135i
R32 GT-R
C5 Corvette
TTA's and a plethora of other cars that were once deemed fast (until Mitch said otherwise of course)

And for reference, you'd have to shoot me to get me to trade my m3 for a bottom bin scion/subaru...

The sheer fact that you'd rather have a severely limited in the upgrade department new car with a comparatively cramped interior 1/4 the amenities, and an unproven chassis, speaks volumes for your decision making ability..

The thought that someone would willingly give up a S50B30 in favor of a open decked direct injected compression queen worries me...

I'm not going to argue with you on this, but I will make my case. I've owned my 1995 M3 (Alpine White, pristine black leather interior, still south of 90k miles) for a year and a half now. Before that, I had a 1995 325i for four years, so I have been researching, driving, and working on e36s for the sum of my of my driving career. I'm not an expert, but I'm not unfamiliar with them either.

The price ranges I laid out are from experience. I spent three months researching and looking for the car I have now. I had to give up on other cars that otherwise looked great but had underlying issues found in a pre-purchase inspection. I did not limit my search geographically, either. I live in Baton Rouge, but I actually flew to Chicago to buy this car and drove it down (after it passed a PPI). I used Craigslist, Autotrader, M3Forums, and Bimmerforums to find my car.

On reliability, you must never have had your engine fan grenade, sending fan blades into your cooling lines and leaving a line of dings on your hood. I had that happen on my 325i. It's the same fan on the M3. The rear subframe can actually tear out if the car has been abused, and you wouldn't know until it happened. Then there's rear trailing arm bushings and rear shock mounts which should be considered wear items. All old cars have their problems, but this is going to have more problems than a comparable Toyota or Honda.

Then there's the question of speed. I autocross my M3, so I know what it's faster than and slower than. It's a blast to drive, but I wouldn't say it's a fast car in a straight line. It really shines in the turns. I never thought I'd enjoy slaloms until I got this car. It also feels at home in a decreasing radius turn. It is, however, useless in a Chicago box. This may just be that I haven't figured out how to hit it just right, but I've had other people drive the car and it definitely shows it's weight in that situation. As for the other cars on the list, I can't vouch for them. All I can do is speak from my experience. The M3 is quick, but it isn't fast.

And the engine is not an S50b30. The S50b30 and S50b32 were the rest-of-world engines. The S50US was just a bored and stroked M50b25TU with slightly hotter cams. It was one of the many cost cutting measures BMW NA made given the limited success of the 1994 325is M Sport which was meant to test the waters. That car itself only came as a result of an extensive letter writing campaign by BMWCCA members. I only go on this tangent to show that I know something about these cars.

By the way, several of us on Bimmerforums (active member since 2004) are really excited about the BRZ. I've had my M3. I'm ready for something different.

For reference to my taste, my car (clears, stamped LTWs, and a drop):

[Midnight Run]

nice E36M3.. wanna sell it?

[LSxJunkie]

Originally Posted by Mitch

For reference to my taste, my car (clears, stamped LTWs, and a drop):

Noms. LTWs are some of the finest OEM wheels in the world.

[Mitch]

Originally Posted by Midnight Run

nice E36M3.. wanna sell it?

Actually, I could be talked out of it for a reasonable price. Let me sort out a few things (I can't stand selling a car I know needs work). I'll make it known when it is for sale.

Originally Posted by LSxJunkie

Noms. LTWs are some of the finest OEM wheels in the world.

Thank you. I actually have a stamped LTW as a full sized spare (with a nicer tire than what the other four run!). I really lucked out on this car. The second owner (I'm the fourth) was/is the owner/founder of Gingerman Raceway up in Michigan. He did a the lions share of getting this car sorted out.

[Matador]

Originally Posted by Longhorn248

Maybe if we're lucky this site can qualify for the new .xxx domain names that were rolled out today.

Wait what?

[3scapist]

Originally Posted by fito68

Funny you bring up the Z. I currently have the o6 z33 with the VQ35DER. I love the look and feel of the car but im hesitating because of the power loss. Ya i know that there will be aftermarket parts to get some of that power back and keep the better handling but the Z is what i learned alot in it so im still deliberating...

I miss my z33 I went from that to a 97 Altima. It was pretty horrible going from a 300hp sports car to a 150hp sedan These cars weigh quite a bit less than the Z though so you'll be able to have more fun via throwing them around and like you said, there'll be aftermarket parts to add to the fun factor. When the time comes, just do whatever you feel is right You have a whole 6 months to decide lol.

[Stigmaru]

You guys should see what the Subie elitists over at Nasioc.com think about the BRZ. Everyone saying it's going to flop and it needs to be turbo charged and AWD

The BRZ came in overweight at 2800 lbs instead of 2700 lbs =\

[MiguelAE86]

lol there are just no hopes on making stubborn people happy. A true car guy enjoys anything with 4-wheels.

[miata]

If the price turns out to be $24k or higher it will be a flop. But if it is $23K, people will start saying " why would anyone by a civic coupe or GTI ?"

[Capt Canuck]

Originally Posted by MiguelAE86

lol there are just no hopes on making stubborn people happy. A true car guy enjoys anything with 4-wheels.

You haven't driven a Saturn Vue

[pastuch]

I could walk out and buy a brand new 370z for cash right now... but they have terrible interior ergonomics and design, a so-so manual transmission, they are the least reliable car that Nissan makes, they get terrible gas mileage and they are grotesquely overpriced in Canada. Beautiful car though and it's a massive step up from the 350z in almost every way. I HATED the 350z.

Note: I'm a former G35 owner and I've driven many 350/70s. The M6 in the 350z is an absolute shit box, feels like the transmission in a 2010 Genesis Coupe. The 2011 GC transmission and later model year 350zs are a little better but still just awful.