*** Aggressive wheels? Post them up! *** Thread

[636]

Originally Posted by Logical

I just don't understand why people want "aggressive wheel fitment" on a FR-S/BRZ. It's a sports car, not some Honda Civic or anything. I especially laugh at the ones that make a damn 4x4 Subaru STI into something with "aggressive wheel fitment".

But to each their own..... I guess?

Aggressive wheel fitment can be both stanced with stretched wheels, etc. Or something with really wide wheels, and tires to match.

So explain to me what's so "Honda Civic" about running beefy ass tires?

[Brndn704]

Originally Posted by 636

Aggressive wheel fitment can be both stanced with stretched wheels, etc. Or something with really wide wheels, and tires to match.

So explain to me what's so "Honda Civic" about running beefy ass tires?

I wasn't referring to the wide wheels with tires to match, that's understandable if you have the power to throw down with it.

I was referring to the stretched tire bullshit. I don't want to be anywhere near someone with stretched tires, that's unsafe as hell.

[PRORICAN]

Originally Posted by OmarGC

@PRORICAN, @Shit Luck Nobody is saying excessive amounts of camber or stretched tires... Are they? Just saying 9.5 +40 isn't aggressive, flush when below -2 camber ya... But anyone that is using this car for it's "intended purpose" is going to be needing and using a lot more then that.

You can fit a 18x10 SQUARED +30-40 with decent sized rubber on this car. You just gotta be competent enough and anal to know how to make your setup fit. You probably never seen my prior vehicles though, I'll just say everyone tells me I make my car fit my wheels/tire and not the other way around.

I consider a wide ass crappy, not grippy on a rim a little ridiculous. You yourself have stated you have those shitty 265's on your wheels because you like the look, correct @PRORICAN? To be fair that's just as dumb as the guys running mild stretches on their wheels because they think it looks cool... Just sayin'

They may not be the greatest summer tires but they're still summer tires. Cheap or not they still out grip the stockers I replaced and any all season tire. I don't run this set up on the track so ultimately it doesn't matter if I have super grippy r compounds or some high priced low thread wear rating tire. It's a daily!

It's all good though. To each his own and enjoy your "aggressive" fitment.

[OmarGC]

Originally Posted by Logical

I was referring to the stretched tire bullshit. I don't want to be anywhere near someone with stretched tires, that's unsafe as hell.

Totally unsafe



Also, current day f1 cars stretch their tires. You just don't notice it as much as the sidewalls are so tall.

[blags]

Can't believe people whinge when they see an 86/frs/brz with stretched tyres/low offset wheels, to be honest, most people buy this car because its cheap and decent looking, not because its a "track" monster... Why does it matter what people do. If you don't like it, keep your opinions to yourself.

[636]

Originally Posted by Logical

I wasn't referring to the wide wheels with tires to match, that's understandable if you have the power to throw down with it.

I was referring to the stretched tire bullshit. I don't want to be anywhere near someone with stretched tires, that's unsafe as hell.

Lost my shit at you saying stretching tires is unsafe. Where's this SOLID EVIDENCE that running a stretched tire is any more unsafe than a non-stretched?

Edit: Actually, I'm gonna stop myself, don't respond.

I don't want to turn this thread into more of a bitch fit than it already is, nor do I need to prove to everyone that I'm right. Just go look it up yourself.

[Brndn704]

Originally Posted by PRORICAN

It's all good though. To each his own and enjoy your "aggressive" fitment.

This right here.

[Brndn704]

Originally Posted by 636

Lost my shit at you saying stretching tires is unsafe. Where's this SOLID EVIDENCE that running a stretched tire is any more unsafe than a non-stretched?

Edit: Actually, I'm gonna stop myself, don't respond.

I don't want to turn this thread into more of a bitch fit than it already is, nor do I need to prove to everyone that I'm right. Just go look it up yourself.

http://tl.acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=718800

Go to that forum and "prove to everyone you're right"

http://www.mazdaspeedforums.org/foru...ngerous-63938/

Or that one

There is a reason a lot of shops won't do it. Your car handles like shit, it looks retarded etc. But the way you think you are right, you probably like the retarded shit.

I never wanted to turn this into a "bitch fit". I stated something, and you had to act like a smartass and think you are right before actually researching yourself.

I'm done. Don't bother.

[Nezz]

Originally Posted by OmarGC

@PRORICAN, @Shit Luck Nobody is saying excessive amounts of camber or stretched tires... Are they? Just saying 9.5 +40 isn't aggressive, flush when below -2 camber ya... But anyone that is using this car for it's "intended purpose" is going to be needing and using a lot more then that.'

Err, I'm going to go ahead and disagree with you there. 225 is more than enough for spirited driving with this car as standard, modified to sticky rubber of course-- If you've turbocharged it and you're running highly aggressive brakes I still see no need to go over 245.

Let's not over-state what is "needed", shall we? Anything over 2 degrees of negative camber is for looks, not performance. So anything that requires anything like that for fitment is definitely an aggressive fitment, and it only takes 8" at +35 to run flush besides. If you want "stanced", say "stanced". If you're after a look, spit it out, we're not mind readers.

Nobody, and I repeat nobody, has enough power in one of these to warrant anything over 265s for grip. If you put 265s on one of these that's standard you are slowing it down badly-- rolling resistance goes up hugely with each 10mm of width-- Road and Track proved this when they slowed their car down putting an oversize width tyre on it. Suspension changes and minor brake upgrades won't require more than 10mm of extra tyre.

Be real, dude.

[OmarGC]

Originally Posted by Nezz

Err, I'm going to go ahead and disagree with you there. 225 is more than enough for spirited driving with this car as standard, modified to sticky rubber of course-- If you've turbocharged it and you're running highly aggressive brakes I still see no need to go over 245.

Let's not over-state what is "needed", shall we? Anything over 2 degrees of negative camber is for looks, not performance. So anything that requires anything like that for fitment is definitely an aggressive fitment, and it only takes 8" at +35 to run flush besides. If you want "stanced", say "stanced". If you're after a look, spit it out, we're not mind readers.

Nobody, and I repeat nobody, has enough power in one of these to warrant anything over 265s for grip. If you put 265s on one of these that's standard you are slowing it down badly-- rolling resistance goes up hugely with each 10mm of width-- Road and Track proved this when they slowed their car down putting an oversize width tyre on it. Suspension changes and minor brake upgrades won't require more than 10mm of extra tyre.

Be real, dude.

The post you quoted above had nothing to due with tires genius.

I was speaking of the amount of camber here. If you think anything above 2 degrees of negative camber is "just for looks" you either 1) don't track your car(s). 2) dont track your car often, don't do well at technical courses and majority of track layouts, and probably produce shitty #'s.

Stop being full of yourself, dude.

[RiskyTrousers]

Originally Posted by OmarGC

Totally unsafe



Also, current day f1 cars stretch their tires. You just don't notice it as much as the sidewalls are so tall.

Really?

Current F1 rules say wheels and tires can be up to 355 front and 380 rear. I seriously doubt teams would leave grip on the table just to "stretch" their tires.

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[Nezz]

Originally Posted by OmarGC

The post you quoted above had nothing to due with tires genius.

I was speaking of the amount of camber here. If you think anything above 2 degrees of negative camber is "just for looks" you either 1) don't track your car(s). 2) dont track your car often, don't do well at technical courses and majority of track layouts, and probably produce shitty #'s.

Stop being full of yourself, dude.

Up front, sure, I'd run more than two degrees to get good times (The Silvia runs 2.25 from memory) Anything more than that out back (Silvia's 1.25) and I'd see excessive and uneven tyre temperatures (cracking, delaminating), accelerated tyre wear and difficulty with grip (Not much point in having 200+mm of contact patch if there's only weight on 100mm of it).

Even up front you can use caster to reduce the amount of camber without reducing available grip (read; tread appication) in corners, to an extent, and that reduces roll off (and again, excessive tyre wear and uneven temperatures).

We talking serious, street, or sprints? Because sprints are all well and good, and those setups work for Sprint or AutoX, but I was talking street. Where more than 2 degrees is pretty much pointless except for looks. Unless you hate tyres, of course, which is fine.

Either way, I'm sure we can all agree demon camber -is- just for looks.

[636]

Originally Posted by Logical

http://tl.acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=718800

Go to that forum and "prove to everyone you're right"

http://www.mazdaspeedforums.org/foru...ngerous-63938/

Or that one

There is a reason a lot of shops won't do it. Your car handles like shit, it looks retarded etc. But the way you think you are right, you probably like the retarded shit.

I never wanted to turn this into a "bitch fit". I stated something, and you had to act like a smartass and think you are right before actually researching yourself.

I'm done. Don't bother.

Oh, because there's so much clear evidence supporting why stretching tires(even slightly) is dangerous. Those two posts proved absolutely nothing at all. Nothing. And all the people claiming curb damage and such, unless you're retarded, or just don't pay attention to the road, you're not gonna curb.

Oh yeah, still waiting for real evidence.

[KAR]

Now kids, can we go back to pics..