FR-S vs RX-8 vs S2000 Review - Everyday Driver

[CSI:86]

Originally Posted by ZDan

I'm saying I'll be impressed if you legitimately get even 25 more hp. I would trust before/after 1/4-mile trap speeds a LOT more than dyno results, though.


A bit easier to just go by power/weight, which is what the calculator is doing.
*IF* you get 227hp, and with 80 lb. removed, that puts you at 12.7 lb/hp. Stock S2000 is 12.8. Hardly any difference, likely more than offset by the S2000's 49/51 weight distribution with fuel and driver vs. your 80 lb lighter (all from the back) FT86 which would be in the 55/45 range with driver and fuel. That's 13% more relative weight on the S2000's drive wheels, no small amount.

And 40 lb. worth of spare tire and tools can be removed from the S2000 in about 30 seconds, and then it's at 12.65, slightly better power/weight.

But as pointed out, these cars aren't particularly quick by today's standards, so it's kind of a tallest midget comparison...

Well then you will seriously be "legitimately" impressed numerous times when you actually look up other members' threads and see that 25WHP more with CAI/headerback/stage 2 tune is a easy reality.

So then your proving my point, power to weight ratio comparing a modded BRZ to a stock s2000, the BRZ will just as fast as a s2000. Given an additional few more whp from the mods (say +30WHP), the BRZ will be little bit faster than a stock s2000.

I love how you bring up weight reduction to make the s2000 faster than the BRZ. Weight reduction is classified a mod. The WHOLE point of my argument is that a lightly modded BRZ will be as fast, if not faster than a STOCK s2000.

[Celica00]

Originally Posted by fatoni

thats not what is happening at all. you have no idea what ive been doing here and i dont need you to tell me about considering i was there. everytime the frs loses a comparison everybody finds an excuse. its okay to like a car without having to find excuses for it not being perfect.

aaannnd on the same token, whenever the frs wins one of it's many awards (you can find the award thread) you find an excuse why it doesn't belong there.

edit: just saying, you are the most head strong anti 86 person here. and its starting to show more and more blatantly as you incessantly bash it at every opportunity.

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by cfusionpm

Comparison was pretty easy for me. Let me know when the S2000 comes with a real roof and back seats. Not to mention that they aren't made anymore, and when they were new, they cost 10k more. But yeah, totally S2000 "wins."

they drove the cars back to back and they liked the honda more. im sure the frs is the more reasonable choice for many people.

Originally Posted by Celica00

aaannnd on the same token, whenever the frs wins one of it's many awards (you can find the award thread) you find an excuse why it doesn't belong there.

edit: just saying, you are the most head strong anti 86 person here. and its starting to show more and more blatantly as you incessantly bash it at every opportunity.

when the frs wins a lot of these comparisons, i dont say anything. forgive me for saying that the frs is not better than a ferrari or that saying that is loses a race for being slower than the cars its racing. im not bashing the frs. it just lost this comparison, why cant you accept that?

[Celica00]

Originally Posted by fatoni

they drove the cars back to back and they liked the honda more. im sure the frs is the more reasonable choice for many people.

when the frs wins a lot of these comparisons, i dont say anything. forgive me for saying that the frs is not better than a ferrari or that saying that is loses a race for being slower than the cars its racing. im not bashing the frs. it just lost this comparison, why cant you accept that?

I never said it was either. its not perfect but it sure as hell is better than how you describe it. sorry for not being a mazda fanboy. theres a thread around here where you say the rx8 is 'in every way' better than the 86. wow. hypocrite much? and my very first post I said I respected the review. that sounds like acceptance to me.

i'm going to stop arguing w/ you because you'll never stop. you've been at it for 2+ years so I know you wont. reply as you will. i'm done w/ this debate.

i'll just leave this here, taken from the frs vs civic si thread.

Originally Posted by fatoni

it [RX8] also pretty much has better of everything than the frs

[cfusionpm]

Originally Posted by fatoni

they drove the cars back to back and they liked the honda more. im sure the frs is the more reasonable choice for many people.

I've driven them back to back too, and the S2000 does drive better. As it should with a 10k+ price difference and +40hp. Doesn't really matter though, because it has a rag top that can be broken into with a ball-point pen and you can't buy them anymore unless you find one second-hand.

By the way, why are you even on this forum to begin with?

[ZDan]

Originally Posted by CSI:86

Well then you will seriously be "legitimately" impressed numerous times when you actually look up other members' threads and see that 25WHP more with CAI/headerback/stage 2 tune is a easy reality.

Seeing threads where it looks like headers + intake exhaust tune appear to be required to best case give~25hp.

So then your proving my point, power to weight ratio comparing a modded BRZ to a stock s2000, the BRZ will just as fast as a s2000. Given an additional few more whp from the mods (say +30WHP), the BRZ will be little bit faster than a stock s2000.

If those mods give 30 hp, BRZ might be as fast as a stock s2000. IF. MIGHT be.

I love how you bring up weight reduction to make the s2000 faster than the BRZ. Weight reduction is classified a mod. The WHOLE point of my argument is that a lightly modded BRZ will be as fast, if not faster than a STOCK s2000.

Show me trap speeds over 100mph after these exact mods.
Not saying it isn't possible. Just seems optimistic. That's all.

[civdaddy]

Originally Posted by ZetaVI

S2K is still an awesome car still after so many years. You suck Honda.

I read rumors of Nissan bringing back the 240z to be smaller and less expensive than the 370z. With Hyundai, subaru, toyota, scion, and possibly Nissan making rwd coupes, Hopefully Honda wakes the hell up and gets back in the game.

[OrbitalEllipses]

Originally Posted by ZDan

Show me trap speeds over 100mph after these exact mods.
Not saying it isn't possible. Just seems optimistic. That's all.

It is. The FA20 is NOT like the F20C or F22C. We don't have that great VE or crazy piston speed with OEM forged pistons.

[cfusionpm]

Originally Posted by civdaddy

I read rumors of Nissan bringing back the 240z to be smaller and less expensive than the 370z. With Hyundai, subaru, toyota, scion, and possibly Nissan making rwd coupes, Hopefully Honda wakes the hell up and gets back in the game.

It feels like it was a corporate decision. The S2000 NEVER sold well, and numbers dwindled less and less longer into its life. Being a 35k, 2-seater convertible certainly didn't help its appeal outside the niche market, but hopefully the twins will help spark more competition in the mid 20k range. In less than a year, they've already sold more than 1/3 the number of all S2000s sold in the US for 12 years. Maybe they could actually put a roof on it! Competition is good for everyone. More choices is always better, and I hope Honda gets back into it.

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by Celica00

I never said it was either. its not perfect but it sure as hell is better than how you describe it. sorry for not being a mazda fanboy. theres a thread around here where you say the rx8 is 'in every way' better than the 86. wow. hypocrite much? and my very first post I said I respected the review. that sounds like acceptance to me.

i'm going to stop arguing w/ you because you'll never stop. you've been at it for 2+ years so I know you wont. reply as you will. i'm done w/ this debate.

i'll just leave this here, taken from the frs vs civic si thread.

that quote is taken out of context by the way so no, im not much of a hypocrite.

Originally Posted by cfusionpm

I've driven them back to back too, and the S2000 does drive better. As it should with a 10k+ price difference and +40hp. Doesn't really matter though, because it has a rag top that can be broken into with a ball-point pen and you can't buy them anymore unless you find one second-hand.

By the way, why are you even on this forum to begin with?

im here to keep up on the evolution of the frs. why else would i be here?

[mike_ekim1024]

Originally Posted by cfusionpm

I've driven them back to back too, and the S2000 does drive better. As it should with a 10k+ price difference and +40hp. Doesn't really matter though, because it has a rag top that can be broken into with a ball-point pen and you can't buy them anymore unless you find one second-hand.

By the way, why are you even on this forum to begin with?

After watching and reading, I have more respect for the S2000 now. Of course I wouldn't have been able to put my bike in the trunk yesterday if I had one

[cfusionpm]

Originally Posted by mike_ekim1024

After watching and reading, I have more respect for the S2000 now. Of course I wouldn't have been able to put my bike in the trunk yesterday if I had one

For sure. It's a fantastic piece of engineering. An uncompromising driving machine. Nearly 14 years ago, they managed to get 240hp out of a 2L engine revving to 9,000rpm in a convertible chassis that's stiffer than most coupes. Would I love one as a weekend car? You becha. Would I drive one every day? Not a chance.

[zygrene]

Originally Posted by cfusionpm

For sure. It's a fantastic piece of engineering. An uncompromising driving machine. Nearly 14 years ago, they managed to get 240hp out of a 2L engine revving to 9,000rpm in a convertible chassis that's stiffer than most coupes. Would I love one as a weekend car? You becha. Would I drive one every day? Not a chance.

It's funny because I bought my S2000 about 4 weeks ago thinking I'd drive it only on weekends and at the track, but I've found myself daily driving it almost 50/50 with my A3. It's got coils on it too, so it's got a pretty stiff ride.

Maybe I'm just still in the honeymoon phase with the S2000, but it's really not that bad as a daily driver, assuming the most you ever need it to do is carry 1 passenger and a trunk full of groceries. I will say that it requires much more physical effort to drive than my A3. The shifter and pedals require a much firmer push. But then again, the A3 is almost effortless compared to most manual transmission vehicles.

[liteyouup]

Originally Posted by vangisback

Funny watching these two keyboard warrior bench-racers go at it, ZDan and CSI:86.

You two need to stop living life a 1/4 mile at a time and get some pu$$y in your life.

Keyboard warrior bench racers...

BWAHAHAHAHAHA