Header - Nameless vs JDL

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by Kodename47

The only pics I can find easily or quickly from the Nameless thread is:


Which would suggest that it's not up and over.... but if you can prove to the contrary then I'm all ears. I don't mind a tiny bit of a loop, just so long as it's not right up into the bay.

These are their first batch of testing prototypes. These produced the curves from the second posted chart. Those were done before they had an available tuning solution (whatever the Pro version of Ecutek is, I believe...)

These are their second gen prototype:







I think they were the first to do the 'up and over' as you call it, in a search for space they needed to get their runner lengths optimized which results in the big mid range hump of the first dyno graph you posted. Acoustic tuning plays a role in this header's performance.

[Dimman]

Also keep in mind that all P&L's big number dyno graphs are on E85 fuel. Available in the UK?

Nameless numbers are on pump gas.

[ft_sjo]

We used to have limited outlets of E85 but they've gone now.

[Hawaiian]

Originally Posted by Dimman

Also keep in mind that all P&L's big number dyno graphs are on E85 fuel. Available in the UK?

Nameless numbers are on pump gas.

24 tq over base in the dip looks pretty big to me. It's also on a "base" tune that hadn't been refined for the header. I know you're a huge Nameless fan, but all you seem to do is try to pick apart the P&L product, and accuse them of doctoring the dynos.

Hey, they have a great looking Dyno, but until they actually release product for purchase it's what we called in the computer industry, Vaporware.

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by Hawaiian

24 tq over base in the dip looks pretty big to me. It's also on a "base" tune that hadn't been refined for the header. I know you're a huge Nameless fan, but all you seem to do is try to pick apart the P&L product, and accuse them of doctoring the dynos.

Hey, they have a great looking Dyno, but until they actually release product for purchase it's what we called in the computer industry, Vaporware.

It's E85 numbers that bug me, not P&L.

Edit:

Hawaiian, from your thread the E85 FA20 Club tune makes a shit-ton more power and torque than the graph you just posted. And it's a great curve. There is no doctoring accusation, *cough Agency Power cough*, but for those of us without E85 (where the OP is located, and me) it's not an obtainable number, period.

So it's important to point that out to prevent disappointment.

Personally I would prefer that vendors/developers keep to pump gas only in their marketing and leave the E85 to personal build/tune threads, but I know that won't happen.

[Freude am Fahren]

It's hard to tell form many of the dynos I see from this car since they start relatively high, but I hope we're not sacrificing too much in the low RPMs.

That severe valley in the top Nameless dyno is right at 3250rpm. That's a pretty abrupt drop, and -20ft-lb on Stock right there. I'm hoping that's an anomaly from that particular run, or will be tuned out by release. I'm thinking it would be very noticeable in daily driving. Everything else about it looks great though.

I wish we'd get more dynos that start at like 2500rpm or so.

[OrbitalEllipses]

500rpm length dip > 2500rpm length dip, no matter how you slice it.

[Freude am Fahren]

No doubt it's better. Just hope that will be smoothed out, or is just an anomaly.

[m.wood0213]

I wish nameless would chime in and update us on their headers. Ive sent them 2 pm's and no response.

[Xdragonxb0i]

I would go with JDL or PnL . we have no clue when nameless headers will come out

[ft_sjo]

I would like to see these graphs run from idle up, or at the bare minimum 2000rpm.

[Sportsguy83]

Originally Posted by m.wood0213

I wish nameless would chime in and update us on their headers. Ive sent them 2 pm's and no response.

I would love it too, but they are EXTREMELY busy. 16 hours days of work type of busy....

Their sales have increase in the past few month exponentially.

[Freude am Fahren]

Everybody stop ordering things from them!

[Books]

I plan on getting the Nameless headers when they release them. They're quite busy and I know they are working very hard to get all their new products out (intake, tower bar, headers, maybe a few others). So I will patiently wait

Anyways, they shipped out my front pipe

PS keep in mind (IIRC) Nameless numbers include a few other mods: intake, headers, front pipe, axleback, and a light tune from English Racing.

Here's a quick video:
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNxN3HMnZqE"]Namless Performance's 2013 Scion FR-S 188hp/159tq - English Racing - YouTube[/ame]