Helping my Dad Out (Focus ST vs. Veloster Turbo) - Page 3 - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

HunterGreene · 04-30-2013, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by leon78

The gen 2 mazdaspeed3 that started in 2010....We call them GenWon and GenPu. : )

I just realized I could google and get the same answer.

Thanks for the clarification. Going back a few posts, I remember him mentioning something about the torque steer. He test drove a GenPu last summer, He said he liked the car plenty, but something about it just didn't appeal to him.

We'll all agree its a great car, but its not what he's looking for. The fact that the VT takes regular gas is a big selling point for him, though.

SVTSHC · 04-30-2013, 10:31 AM

Realistically I'd say just have your dad test drive all the hot hatches he is and isn't interested in. Even if they're slightly out of the price range he's looking for (like the GTI or the cooper)

VeloTurbo
Focus ST
GTI
Mazdaspeed3
Cooper S
WRX shagginwaggon

Do them all, you never know what you'll end up deciding on. Could give you the positives and negatives on all of them but that's every car. There isn't a car on this planet that doesn't have it's handful of issues; just because Group A is experiencing "X" it doesn't mean Group B will also experience "X" they may experience "Y" or nothing at all. It's just like in another thread where someone thought the seats in the ST were awful but I find them amazing. Anyway I'm rambling... just have him drive them

lol

HunterGreene · 04-30-2013, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by SVTSHC

Realistically I'd say just have your dad test drive all the hot hatches he is and isn't interested in. Even if they're slightly out of the price range he's looking for (like the GTI or the cooper)

VeloTurbo
Focus ST
GTI
Mazdaspeed3
Cooper S
WRX shagginwaggon

Do them all, you never know what you'll end up deciding on. Could give you the positives and negatives on all of them but that's every car. There isn't a car on this planet that doesn't have it's handful of issues; just because Group A is experiencing "X" it doesn't mean Group B will also experience "X" they may experience "Y" or nothing at all. It's just like in another thread where someone thought the seats in the ST were awful but I find them amazing. Anyway I'm rambling... just have him drive them

lol

I can assure you his consideration has been vast and data-filled. The decision between the two is the result of over 6 months of considerations.

Btw, I shared the thread with him, and he really appreciates and was impressed with the feedback and opinions--said that a lot of what was said here was part of his own internal debate. I wasn't completely correct on his assesment of the GenPu, though--the fact that it had lower MPG and actually REQUIRED premium (apparently the ST does not) pretty much killed the car for him in his considerations.

So, in summary, to those who responded and gave their input:

But after careful consideration, it looks like he will be going with the VT. Feel free to keep commenting or suggesting!

SVTSHC · 04-30-2013, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by HunterGreene

But after careful consideration, it looks like he will be going with the VT. Feel free to keep commenting or suggesting!

Congratulate him on his new ride for us when he gets it. Oh and post pics

infinite012 · 04-30-2013, 11:15 AM

Don't get the matte grey VTurbo unless your dad intends to never drive it outdoors.

n2oinferno · 04-30-2013, 11:31 AM

VT is still a good car, so if that's what he goes with I'm sure he'll enjoy it.

Curious, did he look at a 500 Abarth?

SVTSHC · 04-30-2013, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by n2oinferno

VT is still a good car, so if that's what he goes with I'm sure he'll enjoy it.

Curious, did he look at a 500 Abarth?

It is absurd how fun that little thing is. Fun and ugly. Fungly. And I love it for it.

HunterGreene · 04-30-2013, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by infinite012

Don't get the matte grey VTurbo unless your dad intends to never drive it outdoors.

He's a blue fanatic (had that bright blue on the RX-8), so I think he's going with their "Marathon Blue"

Quote:

Originally Posted by n2oinferno

VT is still a good car, so if that's what he goes with I'm sure he'll enjoy it.

Curious, did he look at a 500 Abarth?

Yeah, he did look at the Abarth, but for the price, it wasn't worth it to him. The VT is a better choice than that, IMO

Wes B. · 04-30-2013, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Giccin

I haven't looked into the Ford but... I have my reasons why I won't go back to American cars. (Because my dad had a ford windstar new and at around 5 yearish the car decides to shut off mid run dafuq?)

Ford has come a LONG way in the past 6 years...just sayin'.

DylanFRS · 04-30-2013, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Giccin

I haven't looked into the Ford but... I have my reasons why I won't go back to American cars. (Because my dad had a ford windstar new and at around 5 yearish the car decides to shut off mid run dafuq?)

The Focus is hardly an American car in that the vast majority of its design was done by Ford of Europe.

HunterGreene · 04-30-2013, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Wes B.

Ford has come a LONG way in the past 6 years...just sayin'.

I agree. My mom had a POS 1998 Windstar as well, she usually keeps cars until they are half in the ground, but couldn't get rid of that thing soon enough. Their build quality has significantly improved since then, especially in the past 5 years.

Giccin · 04-30-2013, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Wes B.

Ford has come a LONG way in the past 6 years...just sayin'.

Had couple bad experiences. Its like food poisoning. If you have it bad the first time you tread water to go back and try it again.

Quote:

Originally Posted by DylanFRS

The Focus is hardly an American car in that the vast majority of its design was done by Ford of Europe.

Quote:

Originally Posted by HunterGreene

I agree. My mom had a POS 1998 Windstar as well, she usually keeps cars until they are half in the ground, but couldn't get rid of that thing soon enough. Their build quality has significantly improved since then, especially in the past 5 years.

It was how we(family) experienced Ford those years. I don't generally trust them all so much as you can tell. My distrust in the company was reinforced when my friend bought a mustang and his 2nd gear wouldn't grab and he ended up trading it in for another car since he had to keep going in for maintenance and didn't like that.

TylerLieberman · 05-05-2013, 06:00 PM

I've driven both. These were two cars my wife was deciding between and we went with the Focus ST. Much better all around car.

More power, much better handling dynamics, better brakes, better gearbox, nicer interior quality, better fit and finish, more room, more fun to drive. I'll admit the exterior isn't the best in the world, but honestly, neither is the Veloster. It seems to be a love it or hate it thing and no in between.

I say Focus ST no questions asked

brzninja · 05-05-2013, 08:44 PM

Autoblog has a Veloster Turbo as a long-term review car :

http://www.autoblog.com/2013/01/28/2...-introduction/
http://www.autoblog.com/2013/02/25/2...february-2013/
http://www.autoblog.com/2013/04/05/2...bo-march-2013/
http://www.autoblog.com/2013/05/01/2...bo-april-2013/

Hope that might help....I'd go for the ST myself though.

04-30-2013, 10:31 AM	#30
SVTSHC (ﾉಥ益ಥ)ﾉ Join Date: Jul 2011 Drives: 2015 Series Blue BRZ Location: Bronx Posts: 1,393 Thanks: 930 Thanked 625 Times in 365 Posts Mentioned: 3 Post(s)	Realistically I'd say just have your dad test drive all the hot hatches he is and isn't interested in. Even if they're slightly out of the price range he's looking for (like the GTI or the cooper) VeloTurbo Focus ST GTI Mazdaspeed3 Cooper S WRX shagginwaggon Do them all, you never know what you'll end up deciding on. Could give you the positives and negatives on all of them but that's every car. There isn't a car on this planet that doesn't have it's handful of issues; just because Group A is experiencing "X" it doesn't mean Group B will also experience "X" they may experience "Y" or nothing at all. It's just like in another thread where someone thought the seats in the ST were awful but I find them amazing. Anyway I'm rambling... just have him drive them lol __________________ "Sweet Subaru, sweet Subaru, send your BRZ unto me, for the roads of the unworthy must be baptized in speed and glory." ~Zaku

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TylerLieberman Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Drives: '24 GR86 Location: Arizona Posts: 3,685 Thanks: 658 Thanked 3,363 Times in 1,584 Posts Mentioned: 16 Post(s)	I've driven both. These were two cars my wife was deciding between and we went with the Focus ST. Much better all around car. More power, much better handling dynamics, better brakes, better gearbox, nicer interior quality, better fit and finish, more room, more fun to drive. I'll admit the exterior isn't the best in the world, but honestly, neither is the Veloster. It seems to be a love it or hate it thing and no in between. I say Focus ST no questions asked __________________ Old 2013 FRS Build Thread (SOLD) Hakone 86 GR Build Thread (SOLD)

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