LOLing at the guys on the370z.com

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Originally Posted by Neutral_Eyes

Over time, enthusiast cars became about accessible performance for the everyman - fast in a straight line. If it happened to handle well, that's gravy. If your car is poorly equipped, or you aren't skilled enough to handle a road course, auto-x might better suit you. If you can't turn at all, there's always drag racing. If you can't launch to save your life, there's highway runs from a roll. And if that's too dangerous for you, you can always throw money at a shop to build you a dyno queen. Don't even get me started on drifting - the automotive equivalent of figure skating.

The hopes that this car will handle well mean nothing to most people, because given the opportunity, they'd display their best Nick Hogan impression, and neatly fold themselves around the nearest standing light fixture. You don't need a massive amount of horsepower to be an unskilled moron, myself included. If a majority of people don't get it, that might be a good thing. The kind of person that wants to become an enthusiast won't be put off by the numbers game. Looking for would-be AS1 enthusiasts among a forum of "competitive" car owners is probably going to prove next to fruitless.

You speak the truth, and make a very good point. And this is why the whole Toyota Sports Car Revolution thing is looking like nothing but a fantasy...

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Originally Posted by SUB-FT86

Every car will not be loved by everyone. I am sure most of you guys on here hate the 370Z because its not under 2800 lbs. Anything over that weight is a big mistake to you guys and I am not talking about you specifically OP.

That's true, and that goes along with my need for more research.

Personally, I love 370Zs. It's just a little bit out of my price range...

[70NYD]

Don't pay attention to 370z guys. They don't know squat about handli because their cars handle like crap. Have a look at the car and driver (I think) review where they ended up putting a nismo 370z in to the wall at the first corner of the track because the brakes aren't adequate..
Right There is proof that paper numbers don't mean shit

[Snoopyalien24]

Originally Posted by Harinjo

300zx drivers go to 350z go to 370z

240sx drivers go to... there is nothing but 86

I was in the market for a 240sx kouki yumm but saw this car and decided, I rather wait.

Btw, its not like the 350z/370z have turbo either. Tho, if there is some speculations of S16 I highly have to consider it. But a good audience for the GT86 is the key of this trend resurrecting. Hearing that Honda, Nissan, Mazda?

[Neutral_Eyes]

It's cool that Toyoda wants it to happen, and that this thing's becoming a reality, but look at the way sports cars are praised in the media now. The GT-R and EVO received great marks because they made the driver look like he/she knew what they were doing. Hell, the 370Z will rev match downshifts for you. When the 86's computer goes "You want me to do.. what? Hehehehe good luck pal, you're on your own!" and something that would have been a cakewalk for either of those vehicles turns into an embarrassment in the 86, that's not going to sit well with the driver. No one buys a car to have their ego crushed, at least not on purpose.

[Snoopyalien24]

Also, I know lots of the 240 forums like it, such as toyobaru which is a forum baby out of zilvia.net

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Originally Posted by Neutral_Eyes

It's cool that Toyoda wants it to happen, and that this thing's becoming a reality, but look at the way sports cars are praised in the media now. The GT-R and EVO received great marks because they made the driver look like he/she knew what they were doing. Hell, the 370Z will rev match downshifts for you. When the 86's computer goes "You want me to do.. what? Hehehehe good luck pal, you're on your own!" and something that would have been a cakewalk for either of those vehicles turns into an embarrassment in the 86, that's not going to sit well with the driver. No one buys a car to have their ego crushed, at least not on purpose.

Hmmmm... So it's driver incompetence that will prevent this car from being as appreciated as it should be. I like that.

If you think about it, we've been in a transition towards less and less driver involvement in cars that perhaps we have lost our way with driving. In a GTR, you can throw it into a fairly sharp corner at 60mph and come out on the other side alive, but if you did it in a BRZ, with TCS off, the tail end will come out and you'll spin. And people hate that. So the GTR is the better car for them.

Perhaps you're right, maybe this car is better left to the enthusiasts. So we can appreciate true driving feel. But at the same time, we need to make sure that Toyota knows that our numbers are growing, and that we want more. It can't stop here at the AS1, we have to keep pushing to bigger and better things! :happy0180:

[Zaku]

Oh 370z.com I thought it was the370Z forums because those guys are pretty chill, alot of them are people I know from my last car club. Sucks that they think all those bad things about our car before even giving it a chance. Sometimes things on paper isn't what is actually is...

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Originally Posted by Snoopyalien24

Also, I know lots of the 240 forums like it, such as toyobaru which is a forum baby out of zilvia.net

Yeah, you're right. But, I think I will consider them the same as us, enthusiasts. It's the plebeian population i'm worried about!

[Neutral_Eyes]

Some of the reviews said the TCS was too aggressive, though. So they might be alright. It's not like a nicely balanced FR is terribly difficult to learn and predict, but if they're measuring against super understeering FF cars and magic nanny AWD cars, there might be some frustrations. I can't begin to imagine what sort of shameful displays would happen with a non-ABS MR car, which is why I'm trying to buy a Mk1 MR2 - I'm a masochist.

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Originally Posted by Neutral_Eyes

Some of the reviews said the TCS was too aggressive, though. So they might be alright. It's not like a nicely balanced FR is terribly difficult to learn and predict, but if they're measuring against super understeering FF cars and magic nanny AWD cars, there might be some frustrations. I can't begin to imagine what sort of shameful displays would happen with a non-ABS MR car, which is why I'm trying to buy a Mk1 MR2 - I'm a masochist.

Let's hope they don't realize they have to hold the Trac Off button for three seconds to fully disengage it!

[SUB-FT86]

Originally Posted by 70NYD

Don't pay attention to 370z guys. They don't know squat about handli because their cars handle like crap. Have a look at the car and driver (I think) review where they ended up putting a nismo 370z in to the wall at the first corner of the track because the brakes aren't adequate..
Right There is proof that paper numbers don't mean shit

What does braking have to do with handling?

[Kostamojen]

Its going to outsell the Z cars for sure, since its going to be $5-10k less. The Z's are basically the "next step up" so they won't compete directly IMO.

[Eldorian]

Originally Posted by SUB-FT86

What does braking have to do with handling?

Heheh..


Seriously?