Scion FR-S OFFICIALLY REVEALED (Details, Specs + Live and Press Photos)

[Chupacabra]

Originally Posted by rmagic

I don't know...the way I look at it is that either we are enthusiasts of this car or we are just fans of sports cars in general. Personally, I think there is really no difference. The way this car is first introduced to the world makes you feel there is something very special about to come out.

After waiting for more than 2 years, I still think this is a special car but at the same time Toyota just didn't do a good job by presenting the vehicle in North America from Scion. And Scion or Toyota did a poor job in the design of the interior of this car for North America. I know some of you guys are ok with it, but it doesn't mean they can do a lousy job after having people wait so long to get this car.

I think there is a difference between making something cheaper and designing something in a cheap way. Anyway I don't want to get into an argument about this.

But I believe selling cars is about packaging it right. Even some cars are as good as this car but if you don't package it the right way you will lose the customers. Not everybody is looking for just performance or just look.

If Scion doesn't offer a different packaging, I'm pretty sure lots of people will prefer to buy a subaru. I'm still looking forward to test driving this car and buying it if this car is special enough and worth the wait as Toyota had promised .

This is a fair critique; I'm glad the polite fans and conscious critics have returned to this thread...thank you.

Admins---can we remove all of the unsupported comments from this thread to conserve about 30 pages of forum room and also up the site's iq about 90 points?

[CoryUyede]

Originally Posted by rmagic

I don't know...the way I look at it is that either we are enthusiasts of this car or we are just fans of sports cars in general. Personally, I think there is really no difference. The way this car is first introduced to the world makes you feel there is something very special about to come out. After waiting for more than 2 years, I still think this is a special car but at the same time Toyota just didn't do a good job by presenting the vehicle in North America from Scion. And Scion or Toyota did a poor job in the design of the interior of this car for North America. I know some of you guys are ok with it, but it doesn't mean they can do a lousy job after having people wait so long to get this car. I think there is a difference between making something cheaper and designing something in a cheap way. Anyway I don't want to get into an argument about this. But I believe selling cars is about packaging it right. Even some cars are as good as this car but if you don't package it the right way you will lose the customers. Not everybody is looking for just performance or just look. If Scion doesn't offer a different packaging, I'm pretty sure lots of people will prefer to buy a subaru. I'm still looking forward to test driving this car and buying it if this car is special enough and worth the wait as Toyota had promised .

How you package a car and how successful it is in its sales are closely related no doubt about it.

Cheap, Poorly designed, uninspiring cars need all the "packaging" help they can get.

Your econo sub compacts, mid-sizes , suv's..all these Mainstream classes are heavily package and value driven.

Sports cars are always a different animal though...sports cars are supposed to invoke something inside of you. There's more emotion involved when buying a sports car from beginning to end, Rationality usually takes a backseat to emotion.

I've been sold on this car ever since it was a Possibility it could be made, Alot of people have. I Do agree that Scion So far has been a little laid back about this car. They're basically letting Toyota/Subaru Japan do the heavy lifting for them.

The longer i wait for this car, the Less I Care about how it's packaged or how it's advertised...we all know what it really is. Just give it to us!

[CSOCSO]

Originally Posted by deejaytnk

The car was design to target the real car enthusiast with all those main features. Under the Scion name which caters to the daily cheapo driver, grandmas, young chicks (who gives 2 shits about performance & want a hip bubble car), and non-career tuners (who cannot afford a $30K sport car), it is totally conflicting.

BRAVO!!!

Still whining about luxury stuff in a car that made for a car enthusiast!?!?!?!

This car was made to be an affordable sport car. And you need dual zone ac, ballzheater and xenon lights.... OMG are you serious because i dont see how this makes any sense! I understand Toyota showed up from nowhere and they had all kinda super cool luxury stuff in the Toyota 86 but they NEVER said that car in THAT form will be 25 grand.
So why do talking shit about scion when they bringing the affordable sport car WITHOUT THE UNNECESSARY BS, that most of you crying about?!
Some of you even said that wont even consider this car because it has a scion logo on it. And some of you have problems not having all the cool gadgets from japan. THEN GET A SUBARU version!!! But in the meantime why and i ask WHYYY do you have to talk like that about scion? Again... makes no sense to me when you can just walk over to the subaru dealership and buy what you need.


Put it this way: the car comes in 3 trim level:

Scion FRS
Subaru Premium
Subaru Limited

If you hating on the SCION bran name like that than it proves that you wont even consider getting a scion then again: don't let the door hit your ass at the dealership!
AAAAND the 25grand subaru wont even come with the foglights cant wait for the whiners cry about the fogs coming only in the limited edition.
Subaru will be PERFECT for me if it comes below $24k Hopefully it will be $22K so i could upgrade some stuff and for 24k you could enjoy your dual zone ac, and heated seat while i enjoy my TRD cold air intake, short shifter, lowering springs and the fogs aaaand i can upgrade for the premium audio all under 2 grand
BYEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[CSOCSO]

"Cheap, Poorly designed, uninspiring"

You guys need to understand something: YOU DON'T HAVE to buy the scion version. Cheaper is cheaper! If you are not ok with the SCION cheapness get a subaru and swap the badge to toyota. Just like how would you do it with the scion badge!

The air conditioning looks good in the subaru but it does not making my car lighter nor faster or cheaper. It does not move me. I wont use the A/C more because it looks good.

Heated seats: for some of you its important, i understand it; get a bubu...

LED in headlights: again its just "show" that cost more, while i want this car for less. get a bubu / wait for the ebay lights, believe me they are coming!

fog lights: you have to pay for it, regardless of brand. Its note like it will come for free in the Toyota 86.

radio unit; do i have to wright it done again??? Get a decent navi system when you buy the scion... And it will be even less clumsy than that subaru navi system. Or if you dont need navi system get the premium audio
btw ask anyone who has this cheap head unit. They have no problem with it and it probably does more than you current aftermarket headunit.
I have a $600 clarion headunit and i cant even make calls with it or listen to my music wirelessly over the BT from my phone.

Change the ac unit in the Nissan GT-R ; the car is fucked up and cheapo -This is how i see all of your whining, stupid and make no sense

If they would have put the old tC engine in there or it would come as an FWD car just for scion then i would agree with all of you, but THIS?!?!?!

[CoryUyede]

Originally Posted by CSOCSO

"Cheap, Poorly designed, uninspiring"

When i said that, i meant other cars ...i love the bare bones focused approach of the scion

[CSOCSO]

Originally Posted by CoryUyede

When i said that, i meant other cars ...i love the bare bones focused approach of the scion

Sorry.... i had two shifts today its 5 am here..

[Quentin]

Originally Posted by bls

I don't want this car /no scion toyota yes /this car is very dull no leather etc. I think I will buy a Z

It is completely reasonable to expect a low $20k sports car to be similarly equipped to a high $20k sports car. When you get to the Nissan dealer, you should tell them why the Z is overpriced since you expect all the nice things for $23k. :facepalm:

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by CSOCSO

radio unit; do i have to wright it done again??? Get a decent navi system when you buy the scion... And it will be even less clumsy than that subaru navi system. Or if you dont need navi system get the premium audio
btw ask anyone who has this cheap head unit. They have no problem with it and it probably does more than you current aftermarket headunit.
I have a $600 clarion headunit and i cant even make calls with it or listen to my music wirelessly over the BT from my phone.

I can stream over bt, use sat radio, hd radio, cd, iPod, control pandora through my head unit etc so I'm pretty sure it'll do more than either base system.

How do you know it'll be less clumsy btw? Have you used both?

All Ive seen recently is the scion lovers and fans of the base version bitching about those who are willing to pay for extra features. I haven't noticed anyone posting their disappointment (in the sme angry way you do) that scion isnt offering multiple trims, etc lately. I'd like to know which options I could get in the scion but who knows when I'll get that info. Personally I want the heated seats, the HIDs, the alcantara/leather seats and the telescopic wheel but I'm not bitching about those who want more or less. So far neither offer exactly what I want as far as I can tell. Maybe I can with the scion but I don't know. I do know that with the Subaru I have to pay for stuff I don't want. I'm fine with that even if it's not ideal.

Also your opinion is in no way more valid than those people anyways (same with mine). The back and forth stuff needs to end and I'm guessing it will once specs are released. At least then we will really know what's going on.

[Chupacabra]

Originally Posted by CSOCSO

Sorry.... i had two shifts today its 5 am here..

I'm glad you came from ScionLife, because you don't hold back and your comments always make me giggle.

Thanks CSOCSO!

[balance]

One question to those who disapprove this car for it mundane appearance;

What other cars still in production offer a fun factor as much as the FR-S at the 21,000* price-level?

At such level, you can't have both of luxury and performance.

To accomodate those who need more upscale features, Subaru is coming out with the BRZ for the NA market.

What is a problem here?

*my expected price is obtained by subtracting the price difference betw/ the the FRZ models from the the lower model

[CoryUyede]

Originally Posted by balance

One question to those who disapprove this car for it mundane appearance;

What other cars still in production offer a fun factor as much as the FR-S at the 21,000* price-level?

At such level, you can't have both of luxury and performance.

To accomodate those who need more upscale features, Subaru is coming out with the BRZ for the NA market.

What is a problem here?

*my expected price is obtained by subtracting the price difference betw/ the the FRZ models from the the lower model

Yea...i don't get the big fuss...if things play out the way we're logically thinking (Scion-BRZ Premium-Limited)...i think they've done a good job...althought the BRZ here in canada will be getting a little pricey if they're not careful.

But i'm going to scion, I love subaru, i'd love another, but the price difference is NOT worth it..and i don't need luxury items...Not on this car. I've had a G37, i've had luxury stuff..don't care so much anymore. I just want a drivers car.

[skatecboy45]

Usually Subaru has bad interior, but it looks like here in the states, Subaru will have the better interior choice compared to the Scion. Shame.. I really hope the Scion will have options for a better HU, Climate controls, and push start, or Subaru will probably get my money.

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by skatecboy45

Usually Subaru has bad interior, but it looks like here in the states, Subaru will have the better interior choice compared to the Scion. Shame.. I really hope the Scion will have options for a better HU, Climate controls, and push start, or Subaru will probably get my money.

The base Subaru has the same interior..

[Quentin]

Originally Posted by skatecboy45

Usually Subaru has bad interior, but it looks like here in the states, Subaru will have the better interior choice compared to the Scion. Shame.. I really hope the Scion will have options for a better HU, Climate controls, and push start, or Subaru will probably get my money.

What makes you think that Scion would go away from their fixed price/no trim ordering system? Go build a tC online. You can expect the same type of build/options on the FR-S. Basically, you can get a better head unit, but climate control and push button start aren't simply dealer installed options.

Look at the regular tC versus the release series. The RS gets push button start, an aero kit, and special color on the interior, body, and wheels. That commands a $2300 premium over the regular tC. I think we'll see some RS versions of the FR-S that will come with factory aero kit and push button start, but that stuff isn't going to be free.

I'm also thinking that every version of the BRZ will get push button start despite what has been rumored. It is normally a $500 option and they may as well include it to the BRZ premium to give is some sort of premium feel.