People need to relax!!!

[NickDude84]

i am 27 and i am also looking to buy my first new car. i have to say i was a skeptic about this car and the power plant they chose for it, but the more i read about it the car the more i like about it. i have realized that i am not going to race it and i want something that is cool, gets good millage, and will not bore me. i think this fits the bill perfectly i live in Miami fl so as long as it has a kick ass stereo, a good a/c, and power windows i would be happy.

[JohnnyR]

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

The HIDs are a requirement of mine as well.

If those things really make me a non-enthusiast then I guess I'm not one. :shrug:

I agree, HIDs are a great safety option, something I can't do without anymore.

[sharky]

Originally Posted by XIIIth

I agree with Clamp, nothing wrong with having the car with options.
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If the whiners want to REALLY be constructive, they should be notifying or messaging someone within toyota to try and push for change. This car was made possible by feedback from enthusiast, so who knows? Maybe they'll listen?
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You know what, I did.
I did sent Toyota at the beginning of the year telling them not to make it a Scion.
I did sent them another email telling them I'm really not happy with the FR-S when the rest of the world gets "86" in the name a week ago.
I did again sent them another email about the wash down equipment that was shown from last lights event and ask them to make those missing items options.
I do still hold out the hope that there will be options.

Most likely nothing will happened. So that will probably leave me disappointed.

Most of all, I'm disappointed with those in the forum that seems to be against options. Whats wrong with options? Options are options, right?

[MiguelAE86]

I just thank toyota for giving me a chance to relive the days when you could buy an AE86 (affordable, Toyota econo-sportscar and the best of both worlds) NEW from the factory.

-17 year old, inspiring Automotive Engineer, Car enthusiast, and AE86 lover.

[RZNT4R]

Originally Posted by JohnnyR

I agree, HIDs are a great safety option, something I can't do without anymore.

Even the "low spec" scion has a projector low beam that will produce a nice beam pattern with a halogen bulb. Just use a quality bulb (Osram Nightbreaker, Philips Xtreme Power, etc), aim the lamps PROPERLY and everything will be fiiiiiiiiiiiine.

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by RZNT4R

Even the "low spec" scion has a projector low beam that will produce a nice beam pattern with a halogen bulb. Just use a quality bulb (Osram Nightbreaker, Philips Xtreme Power, etc), aim the lamps PROPERLY and everything will be fiiiiiiiiiiiine.

I have a car with HIDs and another with Halogens, both using projectors (the same projectors even). The difference is night and day. Lots of the so called "premium" bulbs in the US are tinted and actually REDUCE lumens while changing color tempt so it looks brighter. Clear bulbs are the best for light output in terms of lumens (for HIDs and Halogens).

[chulooz]

Originally Posted by MiguelAE86

I just thank toyota for giving me a chance to relive the days when you could buy an AE86 (affordable, Toyota econo-sportscar and the best of both worlds) NEW from the factory.

-17 year old, inspiring Automotive Engineer, Car enthusiast, and AE86 lover.

Youll be buying a Scion, built by Subaru with development shared with Toyota.

Thank Toyota for that.

Sorry, I just don't want you to get confused.

[JohnnyR]

Originally Posted by RZNT4R

Even the "low spec" scion has a projector low beam that will produce a nice beam pattern with a halogen bulb. Just use a quality bulb (Osram Nightbreaker, Philips Xtreme Power, etc), aim the lamps PROPERLY and everything will be fiiiiiiiiiiiine.

Huge difference between real HID systems and aftermarket bulbs in a projector. Sorry, there's no comparison. Not to mention they also last much-much longer as well.

[blur]

I must be the only one who hadn't noticed the changes until they were pointed out. Honestly, the little things people are whining about makes no sense to me. What's next, "no sunroof model? oh noes" The fact that they WILL be options guarantees you can have your toaster seats and blinding hids.

These are the LAST things I care about in this car; I'm glad that we finally got a JDM powerplant, not a FB20 with 160hp for MPGs.

[XIIIth]

Originally Posted by sharky

You know what, I did.
I did sent Toyota at the beginning of the year telling them not to make it a Scion.
I did sent them another email telling them I'm really not happy with the FR-S when the rest of the world gets "86" in the name a week ago.
I did again sent them another email about the wash down equipment that was shown from last lights event and ask them to make those missing items options.
I do still hold out the hope that there will be options.

Most likely nothing will happened. So that will probably leave me disappointed.

Most of all, I'm disappointed with those in the forum that seems to be against options. Whats wrong with options? Options are options, right?

*just going to say sorry for the long post in advance


Honestly, good on you! (no sarcasm) You were proactive and voiced your opinion and that's what people need to do to see the options you want on a car they're trying to target for you! So again, much respect.

The way I see it, I'll be using this as a 10% track car, 5% hooning, 85% dd. I want to modify it, have fun with it. But I also need it to do the DD shuffle. The radio I don't care, I can swap it out, fog lights most likely optional, HID's are cheap to buy and I can install them myself. Stock exhaust? That's getting thrown in the woods. My only gripe with the car is the interior rear seats. I do road trips and I take people along and the rear seats don't look too comfy for my passengers. If I really didn't care about the back seats, I'd get a miata. But I'm not greedy like that.

I own an AE86, I still have my full interior in. On track days I pull it out. But for a daily run around, it's nice piece of mind when you can take friends home after a day of work or go out somewhere with people in toe and have some comfy seats. Again, it's really my only complaint. (like I said before engine, suspension, chassis all in tact and I am happy)

Another thing I hear about is people say, "Do you see what this car is based on?!(ae86) It should be spartan!" I'd beg to differ. It had a very reasonable list of factory standards and optionals that were amazing for it's time! by todays standards yeah it's not that great, but back then, it was really good and priced well to boot! My problem with this statement is that people are making an excuse for it to be spartan which I think is wrong. We should expect a car maker to include nice amenities that surprise us since it makes us feel that we got more for the money. It's how companies like Honda, Toyota, Subaru and Nissan got to where they are today, they over engineered there cars and were brilliant because of it! but I digress.

Ideally I think that i'd be fantastic if this car would be offered in 2 trims. the base and the premium (with all the knicknacks everyone wants like HIDs, LED DTRLs, HVAC, etc etc.) with a good list of factory optionals. It would appeal to both sides of the potential ownership base, and keep more sales within Scions brand instead of having people jump ship to Subaru just because of creature comforts. (not that theres anything wrong with Subaru. Revenue streams all lead to the same ocean anyway with this car)

But yeah anyway, price is key, and at the end of the day I really just want to drive this car. I will most likely wait till the 2014 model to buy one (I never buy the year one models) but it's not going to stop me from test driving it once I can get my hands on one.

[Scottyscooter]

I don't care that the car no longer has a push button start, dual automatic climate control, and seat warmers. I do, however, care that the design of the new center stack was executed so poorly.

The center console was a blank canvas for them to design a manual HVAC layout and they chose to put three staggered knobs in a really large and cheap looking piece of plastic. That's a big disappointment. They could have used the same basic design of the JDM climate control; just use three similar looking/sized rotary dials and use the same neat looking toggle switches to turn on/off the AC, re circulation, defog, defrost, ect. It wouldn't really have cost any more to do that and it could have looked great.

Another complaint; white lettering on a silver dial for the tach? Why? Its so difficult to see! I'm not to worked up over that because that's an easy fix with an overlay, but again its just disappointing to see another completely unnecessary design issue.

At this point, it all comes down to pricing. If they managed to keep the price really low I can overlook these new faults that the car has. I just hope that the Subaru comes to the states intact so there will be another option.

[blur]

Originally Posted by Scottyscooter

I don't care that the car no longer has a push button start, dual automatic climate control, and seat warmers. I do, however, care that the design of the new center stack was executed so poorly.

The center console was a blank canvas for them to design a manual HVAC layout and they chose to put three staggered knobs in a really large and cheap looking piece of plastic. That's a big disappointment. They could have used the same basic design of the JDM climate control; just use three similar looking/sized rotary dials and use the same neat looking toggle switches to turn on/off the AC, re circulation, defog, defrost, ect. It wouldn't really have cost any more to do that and it could have looked great.

Another complaint; white lettering on a silver dial for the tach? Why? Its so difficult to see! I'm not to worked up over that because that's an easy fix with an overlay, but again its just disappointing to see another completely unnecessary design issue.

At this point, it all comes down to pricing. If they managed to keep the price really low I can overlook these new faults that the car has. I just hope that the Subaru comes to the states intact so there will be another option.

Ok,

1. This IS the "JDM" climate control; it's part of the low spec package in Japan. The brochure that was leaked is proof.

2. The other FR-S had black lettering on white. It may light up at night. Or just bad lighting.

[Motordyne]

I'm in for either one of these.

The 200HP rating is too low for my taste so I'll just have to improve on it.

[Cogito8888]

Certainly being an enthusiast is not dictated by the car one drives. Racing in the cold or at night would certainly be characterized as enthusiasm. However I think there is a difference between an option that improves the driving experience and something that makes the driving experience more comfortable. I'll pay money for the first, not for the second. I've tasted all those ameneties, and I'll take lighter and simpler over heavier and more comfortable any day. YMMV