Scion Drops the ball... - Page 16 - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

Syldrin · 12-01-2011, 03:06 PM

or a "hybrid sports car"

gte · 12-01-2011, 03:09 PM

I actually think Subaru gets the credit for that.

The production car looks a little like a TC and probably would have been front wheel drive if it wasn't using a Subaru drivetrain (or 1/2 drivetrain). I haven't read if the trans is Toyota's or Subarus?

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Originally Posted by KAuss

Imagine for ONE second if Toyobaru played the safe route and made this a FWD...

That is all...

mkivalex · 12-01-2011, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by gte

I'm happy at 29k or 30k for the car that now doesn't exist and all about the early 90's coming back as that was Toyota's heyday.

If it does usher in more things, I'll be stoked. I still think 14 years is far too long of a hiatus, but something late is better than nothing at all. I really really hope you are right!

You clearly have no idea how the automotive industry works, nor do you get the point of this car, its not supposed to be a 30k car. I think your waiting for a car that doesnt exist...yet

KAuss · 12-01-2011, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by gte

I actually think Subaru gets the credit for that.

The production car looks a little like a TC and probably would have been front wheel drive if it wasn't using a Subaru drivetrain (or 1/2 drivetrain). I haven't read if the trans is Toyota's or Subarus?

That is where you are going to get some flak lol... Trans Toyota and if Suby had any say it would be AWD... RWD was Toyota's idea according to Toyoda San's interview (?)...

Jezza_hr · 12-01-2011, 03:15 PM

Having owned nothing but an AE86 since I started driving, I have lived long enough without luxuries and see most of them as nothing but added weight to the car. A basic stereo to get me by and a heater are the only things I really care about. Heated seats, start buttons, colour of gauges? If these are the things you feel inclined to be upset by, you're looking at the car in the wrong light in my opinion.

I'm actually pretty jealous by some of these cutbacks on the Scion model, since I know the UK are just going to end up with a more expensive base model with things I couldn't care less about, pushing the price (and potentially the weight) of the car up.

subatoy · 12-01-2011, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by dcaff

So i waited and waited since 2009 like all of us. Then in past few days i joined the site and was so excited to see such beautiful cars the Toyota 86 and the Subie BRZ. Low on power but high on looks i figured i can live with that. By the time the warranty is up there will be aftermarket parts galore and i can make it my supercar.

* GAVE US SHIT FRONT LIGHTS
* NO FOG LIGHTS
* RADIO FROM A 1990 PICKUP TRUCK
* SILVER MPH GAUGE
* DESTROYED AN HVAC SYSTEM THAT WAS BEAUTIFUL AND FOOLED ME INTO THINKING IT WAS A GT-R FOR A MOMENT.
* NO PUSH BUTTON START!!!!!!
* DID THEY JUST START THE REAR SEAT BACKS AND THEN GO TAKE LUNCH?

ANY THOUGHTS?

All this stuff is the reason you will save $3k if you don't care about saving the $3k and wat all the other options just freaking buy the subar version and if you like the looks of the Scion just swap the bumper.

gte · 12-01-2011, 03:43 PM

I think your reading skills have failed you, we were talking about a car yet to come

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Originally Posted by mkivalex

You clearly have no idea how the automotive industry works, nor do you get the point of this car, its not supposed to be a 30k car. I think your waiting for a car that doesnt exist...yet

Kostamojen · 12-01-2011, 03:44 PM

gte, all the engineering in this car is Subaru minus the styling.

With that being said, if the FRS costs close to 20k, that means for under 30k total you could make this car faster than any of your Supra's.

gte · 12-01-2011, 03:45 PM

I'll take your word for it, I thought the rwd was to appease Subaru because they did not give them the awd.

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Originally Posted by KAuss

That is where you are going to get some flak lol... Trans Toyota and if Suby had any say it would be AWD... RWD was Toyota's idea according to Toyoda San's interview (?)...

gte · 12-01-2011, 03:49 PM

Haha, I don't know about that, but the 8k or so could make it decently fast. Depending on the compression and strength of the bottom end (I feel weird calling a boxer motors crank/rods/pistons a "bottom" end

) it could see double the power pretty easily.

That still doesn't solve the styling disappointment though, which is why I'll pass on this car. The best I can hope for is it being a stepping stone as WingsOfWar mentioned. Time to accept that I guess.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kostamojen

gte, all the engineering in this car is Subaru minus the styling.

With that being said, if the FRS costs close to 20k, that means for under 30k total you could make this car faster than any of your Supra's.

KAuss · 12-01-2011, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by gte

Haha, I don't know about that, but the 8k or so could make it decently fast. Depending on the compression and strength of the bottom end (I feel weird calling a boxer motors crank/rods/pistons a "bottom" end

) it could see double the power pretty easily.

That still doesn't solve the styling disappointment though, which is why I'll pass on this car. The best I can hope for is it being a stepping stone as WingsOfWar mentioned. Time to accept that I guess.

LOL I feel like clouds have just parted ways, the sun is shinny through, rainbows have just risen from the ground, and furry animals are now prancing on very fertile green grass fields...

Or like when people find out they're not the father on Murray...

rafterman · 12-01-2011, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Kostamojen

...if the FRS costs close to 20k...

Let's all keep our fingers crossed on that. InsideLine just published an article with a headline that made my eyes boggle...

http://www.insideline.com/scion/fr-s...price-tag.html

gte · 12-01-2011, 04:12 PM

ROFL!

It's still a little disappointing, but life goes on. Let's see what this brings about from Toyota.

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Originally Posted by KAuss

LOL I feel like clouds have just parted ways, the sun is shinny through, rainbows have just risen from the ground, and furry animals are now prancing on very fertile green grass fields...

Or like when people find out they're not the father on Murray...

Ryephile · 12-01-2011, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by gte

That still doesn't solve the styling disappointment though, which is why I'll pass on this car. The best I can hope for is it being a stepping stone as WingsOfWar mentioned. Time to accept that I guess.

Styling is subjective, however the fact remains the 86 is a successor to the AE86, not a Supra, no matter how bad you want it or how obsessed you are with Supra's. It sounds like you're starting to actually realize that.

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