Buying FRS or BRZ for 1K (maybe 2K) below MSRP?

[FRomar-S]

Originally Posted by hampersnow

Nothing against the FR-S but I don't see why anyone would buy one when the BRZ is a much better deal. I almost bought an FR-S last year and decided to wait. Both cars are readily available in Virginia now and while the Scion is still non-negotiable the BRZ if you look, is very negotiable. the difference between an FR-S and a fully loaded BRZ Limited is about $3,000. I paid only a $1,200 difference and got all the extras (fog lights, heated leather,heated outside mirrors, navigation, auto climate control,keyless start and entry to name a few of the upgrades).Subaru was also offering lower interest rates then the Scion dealers.

I think you just got very lucky, and your story is not necessarily the norm. Just go to the BRZ section and look at the out the door price people paid. Very few under 30k with many ranging from 31-33k.

At scion I actually paid 1000$ less than MSRP because of the college grad program which essentially helped with the taxes/titles/fees. Subaru dealers around me do not offer such incentives, nor are they asking MSRP. I went to see a BRZ before getting my FRS and they added 2500$ for market value. Now, even almost a year later they have 2 on the lot, both over 30k with extra crap they put on.

So I think as is true with most things like this, YMMV

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by hampersnow

Nothing against the FR-S but I don't see why anyone would buy one when the BRZ is a much better deal.

I paid only a $1,200 difference and got all the extras (fog lights, heated leather,heated outside mirrors, navigation, auto climate control,keyless start and entry to name a few of the upgrades).

If those extras were FREE I wouldn't want them, I know I'm not the only one. Hell I'd pay more for what I got over the BRZ; HATE nav, HATE leather, HATE HID's, climate control means I have a computer guessing what I want and I love real keys.

Just because it costs more doesn't mean everybody wants it, even when it costs less.

[Jinzen]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

If those extras were FREE I wouldn't want them, I know I'm not the only one. Hell I'd pay more for what I got over the BRZ; HATE nav, HATE leather, HATE HID's, climate control means I have a computer guessing what I want and I love real keys.

Just because it costs more doesn't mean everybody wants it, even when it costs less.

How do you hate HiDs? It's a better lighting.

Brz LEDs, security system, keyless entry and ignition etc pay for themselves with the limited.

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by Jinzen

How do you hate HiDs? It's a better lighting.

Brz LEDs, security system, keyless entry and ignition etc pay for themselves with the limited.

They blind other drivers if not properly adjusted, I find the blue light harsh and not as effective as the more naturally colored bulbs.

It doesn't matter if they "pay for themselves" if I don't like them.

[DSOmegaX]

Considering certain dealerships in states like CO and UT are willing to sale their BRZ Limiteds at invoice (and yes, I do know people who have bought their cars at that price), you can get all the features for almost the same cost as a base FRS MT...

[TommyFive]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

They blind other drivers if not properly adjusted, I find the blue light harsh and not as effective as the more naturally colored bulbs.

It doesn't matter if they "pay for themselves" if I don't like them.

Any headlight technology will blind other drivers if not properly adjusted. It's your job to make sure they're properly adjusted.

And they don't have a blue tint to them. I think you should take a night-time test drive of the BRZ. The HIDs are really good - natural light temperature, wide beam, easy to adjust, and they really (really) increase your visibility of the road.

I agree that not everybody wants all features (I didn't want push button start or dual-zone climate crap), but it sounds like you based your opinion on HIDs off of crappy aftermarket systems.

[Kayzer Soze]

In canada, i managed to get Subaru to offer a $900 discount on a new BRZ.... seems like that was the most possible, other dealers were amazed when they heard this but all were willing to match this discount, but not surpass it. From what i saw, profit margin is around $2000

[Saab2Frs]

Which would behoove people to stop offering crap to people selling their cars privately. If you don't want an FRS (used or new) at a 1500 discount then just go buy from a dealer. That's my jaded perspective on this whole deal.

[DTN107]

Originally Posted by whaap

LOL. Now you're showing your age. Today the dealership makes much more if you put the minimum down and let them handle financing.

True they make more but also sales count too.

Reason how I got my brand new '08 Si back in October '07 for $19500 out the door. Made the dealership paid the taxes and fees.

Hence why I think OP had the idea to go at the end of the month when dealerships are supposedly rushing last second sales for the month.

[Ethereal]

my scion dealer manager firmly told me that scion does not allow them to sell any of their cars below msrp ever. I laughed and left.

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by TommyFive

but it sounds like you based your opinion on HIDs off of crappy aftermarket systems.

I'm biased from getting blinded every ten minutes driving down the freeway at night, the FRS standard headlights are more than adequate. As are most legally sold road cars with the 'crappy standard lights'.

:happy0180:

[kludger]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

I'm biased from getting blinded every ten minutes driving down the freeway at night, the FRS standard headlights are more than adequate. As are most legally sold road cars with the 'crappy standard lights'.

:happy0180:

Those other car's HIDs blinding you are probably on SUVs which have lights much higher up than the twins.

I have yet to get any headlight flashing from other drivers complaining about the BRZ HIDs unlike some other cars with HIDs I've driven, the BRZ HID light level is great and cuts off below the level of other drivers so it doesn't blind.

If you are happy with the standard lights that's great, but the HIDs are not a problem for other drivers on this car.