Scion Drops the ball...

[KevinDuMa]

Just got on this morning and the thread and posts on here are getting ridiculous lol...I think I'll be on the BRZ side of the forum for awhile now...

[pastuch]

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

The Scion will hugely fail for me at 25k base. That would also mean the BRZ base would be closer to 30 IMO, which would make the BRZ fail for me too. The car simply isn't worth that.

For US pricing I completely agree with you. The current Mustang and 2013 Genesis Coupe 2.0T are setting the bar, it's up to Scion/Subaru to meet it.

[suprachica79]

I'm ok with all of the cheapness, as long as I can add the options later on. I'll pay an extra grand for the nicer HVAC, I'll pay an extra couple grand for the leather/alcantera seats, steering wheel, gauges, etc. I just don't know if they will even offer them as options, especially with how scion only seems to offer accessories, not options. If I can add those things as options, I'm a happy camper. I commute 150 miles round trip everyday for work. Call me materialistic, but I want all the amenities I can get, and after all the college I have done, now that I finally have a full time job, this car is my graduation present to myself, and I want it fully loaded.

[pastuch]

Originally Posted by suprachica79

I'm ok with all of the cheapness, as long as I can add the options later on. I'll pay an extra grand for the nicer HVAC, I'll pay an extra couple grand for the leather/alcantera seats, steering wheel, gauges, etc. I just don't know if they will even offer them as options, especially with how scion only seems to offer accessories, not options. If I can add those things as options, I'm a happy camper.

I don't get it, if your willing to pay an extra $1000 for HVAC and $2000 more for leather and gauges then why not just buy the Subaru?

[SUB-FT86]

Originally Posted by Dragonitti

The target price is mid-low $20k. You don't get Supra for that price, what you do is MAKE a Supra out of it...

Originally Posted by pastuch

This car was engineered to be a Mans Miata. Fun to drive, cheap, good track day car, and a great laugh. The fact that it's good looking is an epic bonus.

I think a lot of the forum noobs need to go buy themselves a 2013 Genesis Coupe 2.0T. It has every single thing the whiners want but I'm certain they won't because they are too stupid to realize that brand identity purchasing is RETARDED!

The GC 3.8 was my other option even if it is a Hyundai. It's the first Hyundai I like a lot.

[mines13]

I find most all of this funny, read the thread from the event. I was there, the red car they displayed was a base model car. Cloth, keyed start, HVAC, non HID head lights. The car will be cheaper then the Subaru's mid 25K base price. If you want more luxo items, spec it up like you can with EVERY OTHER SCION PRODUCT. The VP basically said flat out that pretty much ALL of the FRS price speculation on the forum was pretty bogus and that most people will be "pleasantly surprised". He could not be specific but I wouldn't get your panties in a bunch about what the car comes with at the entry level price point. If you want more, it will be available. The base head unit is the same head unit you get on every other 2012 Scion product. All of the head units they display on the website will be just as easy to spec as they are for an xB or tC.

[gte]

It's absolutely not retarded when you work on and build things for your vehicles.

I know that Toyota pulses it's tach wire twice per revolution, I know that I can control the VVTI cam phasing with a darlington NPN transistor, because it pulls 1.2amps through the solenoid. I know that they use 36-2 for the crank trigger wheel, I know how they design their pistons and their heads. I could go on and on.

RETARDED is when you think you know everything, make a generalization and then someone comes along and shows you something obvious that you overlooked.

Originally Posted by pastuch

This car was engineered to be a Mans Miata. Fun to drive, cheap, good track day car, and a great laugh. The fact that it's good looking is an epic bonus.

I think a lot of the forum noobs need to go buy themselves a 2013 Genesis Coupe 2.0T. It has every single thing the whiners want but I'm certain they won't because they are too stupid to realize that brand identity purchasing is RETARDED!

[gte]

I can agree with everything except they really bowed out in the asthetics department, which is ok in most cases, except for when you produce something so beautiful as a 2nd or 3rd concept version, that can actually be sold, because it isn't so far from reality that it doesn't have room for crash/safety required equipment.

And that's what set me off.

Originally Posted by R_E_L

i dont think toyota has forgotten the supra, to be honest i think everyone has had the feeling for a while that toyota wants to bring back the supra, what with the LFA and now this. but what do you think is more practical, to release a cheaper enthusiast car and test the waters to see if people really want sports cars again, or go all in with the expensive R&D and throw it out there hoping for the best?

if a supra is what you wanted i think you should have realized that was never something this car would offer. from the day it was announced i think the majority of the people who first registered here realized this was to be a cheap car that truly puts the driver in the driver's seat. that's all i expected from this car and i'm confident in saying that it's exactly what we got.

[admiralhonshu]

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

?? I don't understand your point. Both the Scion and BRZ still come with those items so how does the Scion make it so you don't have to remove it?

I will be having my seats removed any way.One seat only, is all I require. No stereo system, at most ac, and heat everything else besides the basic its going to be stripped away. So does not matter to me if it comes with cloth seats that are washable or leather heated seats. And I especially hate push to start buttons. That has to go too! I have an modified starter module that reads your thumb print to start.

[pastuch]

Originally Posted by mines13

I find most all of this funny, read the thread from the event. I was there, the red car they displayed was a base model car. Cloth, keyed start, HVAC, non HID head lights. The car will be cheaper then the Subaru's mid 25K base price. If you want more luxo items, spec it up like you can with EVERY OTHER SCION PRODUCT. The VP basically said flat out that pretty much ALL of the FRS price speculation on the forum was pretty bogus and that most people will be "pleasantly surprised". He could not be specific but I wouldn't get your panties in a bunch about what the car comes with at the entry level price point. If you want more, it will be available. The base head unit is the same head unit you get on every other 2012 Scion product. All of the head units they display on the website will be just as easy to spec as they are for an xB or tC.

great post, high five.

[sharky]

Originally Posted by pastuch

I don't get it, if your willing to pay an extra $1000 for HVAC and $2000 more for leather and gauges then why not just buy the Subaru?

I would if I can get the front end of the Toyota. May be it will be possible.

I'm a little surprised that people are so extreme here, won't it be good to have options? Some wants them, some don't and everyone could be happy.

Of cause, nothing final has been "officially" announced, so will probably wait and see.

[MPLexus301]

Originally Posted by Kids Heart

I can swallow a $5,000 hit to get exactly what I want but I don't see that option.

Same here.

Originally Posted by MarkWF1

You guys crack me up.. Something tells me that half the whiners that are complaining about the small stuff, really couldn't afford the extras anyway.

Seems to me like the people complaining are the ones who'd actually plunk down the extra cash for the nicer hardware. See above.

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

I wanted scion to offer BOTH. That's my complaint. If everything becomes an option then I'm good with that.

Same...fingers crossed that the nicer GT86 stuff will be an option on the FR-S.

[Zgrinch]

Originally Posted by pastuch

I don't get it, if your willing to pay an extra $1000 for HVAC and $2000 more for leather and gauges then why not just buy the Subaru?

My guess is the big black plastic strip on the front is the 800 pound gorilla in the room.

[KAuss]

Well for those that can afford it, don't ruin it for the ones that can't...

If you can truly afford the best of the best LFA