FR-S/BRZ vs. Genesis Coupe

[BootpTraphik]

Haha, yeah I'm down to 150lbs, mod #1 lol!

So basically what I need to do is find a really fat dude in a new 86 who is on his way home from the grocery store with a full tank of gas. That way the playing field with regards to weight is a bit more even when I pull up with my nearly out of gas Genesis Coupe. You don't even need to ask, I took a dump at the last Tim Hortons, every pound helps.


On topic, black is nice. Hides the crap front grill better.

[jimmillion]

^ I'm almost certain if you remove everything in that grill opening including the emblem and the bar then replace it with a blacked out version of the grill identical to the ones in Aston's it'll look half way decent.





I only say this because I think the BRZ suffers from the same problem....

[carbonBLUE]

Originally Posted by BootpTraphik

SO, I must say there is a whole lot of misinformation in this thread about the Genesis Coupe. That is before all you went completely off topic arguing about irrelevant things, its ok, it happens. This is after all FT-86 club

Being that I OWN a Genesis 3.8 I will now give you a totally biased comparison and breakdown about how all of you are completely wrong and no nothing about cars. That last part was me not being serious, you guys are all right, just trying to weed out the "serious folk". This is going to be a long post, so bear with me, but it is ON TOPIC! Yay!

1. Whats with everyone hating the window dip? I think it flows really well with the car and the overall style. Sure it could be a straight edge right back to the C pillar, but that would be like every other coupe on the market which doesn't really make it stand out too much does it? In other words, Hyundai went a bit unconventional, and that makes some feel uncomfortable. Get over it, lol.

2. All this business about G37 TOTALLY SMOKING V6 GC's OMG is nothing but balderdash. The 3.8 GC is on par with the G37, end of story (performance people, performance). In a straight line the G37 will probably start to pull up high, but its not a bit gap. Remember that the Genesis Coupe weighs a couple hundred pounds less than the G37 and that really helps in the corners. Hyundai was aiming right at the G37 when they made the car and it shows.

For the record, there are tonnes of stock 3.8 GC's in the 13 second window. Quoting Road & Track numbers is great and all but lets bring things back to real life here, it is possible to bring this car to 13s 1/4 mile and mid 5 second 0-60mph. However, the stock tires do suck, I will admit that lol! Next time quote Car & Driver numbers instead, they tend to suck less, plus the Genesis is included in there annual Lightning Lap, where it has performed pretty well.

3. The 2.0T is slow, everyone knows this, where is the dead horse when you need it? BUT the potential of that little 2 liter is great. With a simple tuning module you can achieve power levels not too far behind the 3.8, with less weight and more torque than the 3.8. This car is severely limited in stock form. The point is, find me another new turbo RWD coupe with that kind of platform and at that price.

4. The chassis of the GC is stiff as hell. I notice very little body roll and flex when hard corning in my GC. Every time I go over a sudden bump I am reminded of this by a teeth grinding SMASH that resonates all over the frame lol. The steering is a bit lacking on the highway and during regular driving, but when pushed it will communicate adequately. Anything the steering misses the body picks up and transmits to you via the seat.

5. Ugh, you say the GC is ugly? The Scion TC is basically a rebadged Corolla with 2 doors. Everything about its styling screams bland and, well to be honest, very Toyota *ahem* old person car *ahem*, sorry getting over a cold. (see what I did there? Don't worry, I'm just trolling )

6. FR-S vs Genesis Coupe, finally. To be honest, these are two very different cars. On one hand you have a light, nimble, low profile sports coupe and on the other hand you have a medium sized, solid, sleek, more Grand Touring type coupe.

Obviously the 3.8 GC would demolish the FT-86 in speed tests, such as at the drag or in acceleration tests. Your looking at an additional 112hp & 73ft-lbs of TORQES or whatever it is the kids are calling it. That and the Genesis has wider and arguably better tires STOCK, therefore more traction at launch and through corners. I say arguably better since apparently the FT is going to run some lame non-staggered 215/55R17 (?) with some sort of hippie green economy tires. The extra weight of the Genesis isn't exactly a bad thing on road courses and mountain roads. Various tests conclude, and it is general consensus among owners, that the GC carries that weight well through the corners and is able to keep speed and momentum. Refer to #2, if the 3.8 GC can stick with a G37 I think its safe to say that it will blow away an FT-86.

A better comparison between the two is the 2.0T, which comes stock with 210 bhp @ 6000 rpm and 223 lb-ft @ 2000 rpm. Thats a lot of torque down low for the FT to handle from a dig. Where the FT is going to win is up high once it gets spinning. So would I be correct to assume that the Genesis will take it from a dig and the FT will start to pull, and eventually pass the Genesis? I think so. They both apparently have the same or similar 0-60 times (~7 sec or something), so I think it may be a drivers race, but IMO I am going to give it to the FT overall due to similar power and a few hundred pounds less weight.

However, the FT-86 is a smaller, lighter and more nimble than both GC trim levels which means it will leave the GC in the dust in technical corners and in AutoX. The FT will communicate more to the driver because of what it is. It will feel fast and point well into corners. These are the characteristics of lighter, smaller, lower sports coupes. I think it is safe to say that the FT will be more of a "drivers car" than the Genesis.

7. Interior vs Interior. This is a very opinion based topic. I enjoy the interior in my car and do not like the pics of the FT-86's interior thus far.

Ok, yeah the Genesis is a cheap Korean car. There are hard pieces of plastic on the doors and on parts of the dash. The faux brushed aluminum accents scratch easy and do not look OMG intense. The "leather" steering wheel is not that bad, but kinda weird. The driver seat lacks a memory function which is exhausting. That's where the complaints for me end.

The center stack layout might look rather utilitarian but it works, and well! It is easy to use and does not require a bazilion buttons to operate. The climate controls are well within reach and the audio controls are simple and can be reached with your finger when your hand is on the gear shift. It is clean and effective. The steering wheel feels good in the hands and the buttons for cruise control are within reach of your thumb. The leather seats fit my frame well and hold me tight when under extreme corner induced G forces. They have held up well too, but I clean them regularly with leather treatment. Over the past year the interior has held up pretty well considering being a "cheap Korean car".

So what don't I like about the FT-86 interior? Well the seats look really nice, and I like the steering wheel, but the center stack looks way too busy for my tastes. Not only that but everything seems mounted too low. I would find myself rooting around the gear shifter to press any of those buttons or change the temp setting. That and the push start is buried in the mix. Why not put it beside the steering wheel where is is easily and intuitive to reach. I don't know how many of you have push start, but its awesome. I slide into my seat, simultaneously depress the clutch and go straight to the right of the steering wheel and press GO, easy as pie. Of course ignoring the "shing!" as it starts and "rattle rattle" of the single mass flywheel. But thats my car lol, not stock. Anyways back on topic, all the FT controls look recessed, it just seems difficult to me, not clean. I also do not care for the air vents, they look like they belong in a Ford pickup. That center cup holder thing, thats going to collect a lot of crap. Spill your coffee and your going to have an epic disaster. Not DD friendly. I will say at least the cup holders are back far enough, I always hit my bottles or coffee cups when I shift into 2nd, 4th or 6th.

Ok well I think thats enough for me. Hopefully I can steer this conversation back on topic. I could continue typing all night about comparisons but I will wait until you guys tear this apart before I continue any further.

Thank you for writing a truly biased though on the 86 vs gc thread and i though i would let people see it again

and yes i too believe that the "top end" 86 is too complicated(the auto climate control) and smushed together when it comes to the temperature gauges

(something i wouldn't be getting anyways because i drive with the windows down... umm 11 1/2 months out of the year)

all i want is the car (the auto if i like how it shifts gears) and a 6 speaker audio system with an aux port, something to tell me my engine speed and my current rolling speed and ill be happy..

after seeing the countless smiles that seem to hurt the test driver's faces, i'm proud of toyota for sure, i'm glad they didn't rush into it and just throw us something not thought through

and on another note, i like the GC the weight made me not buy the car, 3k pounds and i would have been sold the day it came out but with heavier weight on cars, wear and tear is sped up and would be a hefty concern since i like to squeal my tires at least... well every corner on the way to the grocery store... but other than that 3 of my friends have them and well they are nice DD cars and hyundai did a very good job at keeping the price low and affordable they did a good job satisfying the market they targeted

on the other hand toyota is always expected to make a great driver/enthusist car at some point and that car to be great at, at least 1 thing

ae86 (great drift/touge car)(easy to drive)
supra(highway king/super easy to mod drag car)(easy to get into/out of trouble)
st205 all-track(multi WRC champion)(play in the snow/dirt car)
2000gt (originally had shelby on board b4 he went to ford)(legend)
LFA(top 5 of the fastest cars on the ring)(good considering toyota has built only 1 super car so far....)

[Dragonitti]

^Was that ever street legal? And made in enough units to be considered a production car?

[Matador]

Originally Posted by BootpTraphik

Ok well I think thats enough for me. Hopefully I can steer this conversation back on topic. I could continue typing all night about comparisons but I will wait until you guys tear this apart before I continue any further.

[ahausheer]

Lets get even more off topic
MatadorRacing:
Is that Woo Tang in your didn't read vid?

[BootpTraphik]

I would certainly hope so.

Either way, I didn't expect everyone to read lol, save it for next time your sitting on the crapper.

[cassidy0998]

Originally Posted by MatadorRacing_F1

if you saw that lol was there how did you not read it?

[Allch Chcar]

Originally Posted by cassidy0998

if you saw that lol was there how did you not read it?

It's actually, "Didn't read, ."

[fernan2]

I just wanted to say, Thank you Hyundai! For giving us the option to have a spoty car With a nice interior, you Hyundai are awesome!

[DSV-UltraGL]

been lurking for ages; as a BK/GenesisCoupe 3.8 owner, thought i have reply here!

First of all, i don't think from a technical point of view that a FT-86 vs GenesisCoupe is a valid comparison, heck just look at the difference in size! (MotoIQ's article). Both clearly aim at different segments, being RWD coupes doesn't make them direct competitors. Pricing blurs things up, but still i don't believe they should be compared.

heck, no body cared to put the Gencoupe against the MX-5 when it first showed up. Ofcourse the Ft86 going to be nimbler, its 500+ pounds lighter but also nearly half the torque ripping the rubber. It was designed that way. The BK was designed with different objectives, it was designed over the basis of a E46 M3 as a G35 killer. I bet they didn't even benchmark it against likes of MX-5.

The weight, the wheelbase, the height. heck you can feel that too from the interior. Minimalist, purposeful and cheap vs. trying to look luxurious.

Also i have to mention one point about the BK's chassis. By the numbers it is one of the stiffest. The term is Torsional Rigidity (in Nm/deg), the GensisCoupe is around ~22,500 Nm/deg, which is nearly equal the Lamborghini Gallardo's (23k).

Back to FT86, i think its only interesting -and valid- competitor in production is the MX-5. The FT86 excels the MX-5 in every possible way i look at it, thats why am planning to get either the S/C'ed TRD FT86 or the STi. 200hp is quite low. Gonna decide as more info is released, but maaaan that STi concept looks awesome!

And no am not swapping my GenCoupe for it, like no way in hell! that's there to stay!

p.s.: screw ANY FWD. it can be so fast, it can do all the WHP/WTQ's in the world..but an FWD is just off-point

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by DSV-UltraGL

been lurking for ages; as a BK/GenesisCoupe 3.8 owner, thought i have reply here!

First of all, i don't think from a technical point of view that a FT-86 vs GenesisCoupe is a valid comparison, heck just look at the difference in size! (MotoIQ's article). Both clearly aim at different segments, being RWD coupes doesn't make them direct competitors. Pricing blurs things up, but still i don't believe they should be compared.

heck, no body cared to put the Gencoupe against the MX-5 when it first showed up. Ofcourse the Ft86 going to be nimbler, its 500+ pounds lighter but also nearly half the torque ripping the rubber. It was designed that way. The BK was designed with different objectives, it was designed over the basis of a E46 M3 as a G35 killer. I bet they didn't even benchmark it against likes of MX-5.

The weight, the wheelbase, the height. heck you can feel that too from the interior. Minimalist, purposeful and cheap vs. trying to look luxurious.

Also i have to mention one point about the BK's chassis. By the numbers it is one of the stiffest. The term is Torsional Rigidity (in Nm/deg), the GensisCoupe is around ~22,500 Nm/deg, which is nearly equal the Lamborghini Gallardo's (23k).

Back to FT86, i think its only interesting -and valid- competitor in production is the MX-5. The FT86 excels the MX-5 in every possible way i look at it, thats why am planning to get either the S/C'ed TRD FT86 or the STi. 200hp is quite low. Gonna decide as more info is released, but maaaan that STi concept looks awesome!

And no am not swapping my GenCoupe for it, like no way in hell! that's there to stay!

p.s.: screw ANY FWD. it can be so fast, it can do all the WHP/WTQ's in the world..but an FWD is just off-point

well the point is people dont shop with lbs or hp or sizes. they shop with dollars and because of that many people will compare them.
ps. if the point is being fast and fwd can be fast it isnt off point. thats a pretty ignorant statement imo.

[SUB-FT86]

Originally Posted by DSV-UltraGL

been lurking for ages; as a BK/GenesisCoupe 3.8 owner, thought i have reply here!

First of all, i don't think from a technical point of view that a FT-86 vs GenesisCoupe is a valid comparison, heck just look at the difference in size! (MotoIQ's article). Both clearly aim at different segments, being RWD coupes doesn't make them direct competitors. Pricing blurs things up, but still i don't believe they should be compared.

heck, no body cared to put the Gencoupe against the MX-5 when it first showed up. Ofcourse the Ft86 going to be nimbler, its 500+ pounds lighter but also nearly half the torque ripping the rubber. It was designed that way. The BK was designed with different objectives, it was designed over the basis of a E46 M3 as a G35 killer. I bet they didn't even benchmark it against likes of MX-5.

The weight, the wheelbase, the height. heck you can feel that too from the interior. Minimalist, purposeful and cheap vs. trying to look luxurious.

Also i have to mention one point about the BK's chassis. By the numbers it is one of the stiffest. The term is Torsional Rigidity (in Nm/deg), the GensisCoupe is around ~22,500 Nm/deg, which is nearly equal the Lamborghini Gallardo's (23k).

Back to FT86, i think its only interesting -and valid- competitor in production is the MX-5. The FT86 excels the MX-5 in every possible way i look at it, thats why am planning to get either the S/C'ed TRD FT86 or the STi. 200hp is quite low. Gonna decide as more info is released, but maaaan that STi concept looks awesome!

And no am not swapping my GenCoupe for it, like no way in hell! that's there to stay!

p.s.: screw ANY FWD. it can be so fast, it can do all the WHP/WTQ's in the world..but an FWD is just off-point

[DSV-UltraGL]

Originally Posted by fatoni

well the point is people dont shop with lbs or hp or sizes. they shop with dollars and because of that many people will compare them.
ps. if the point is being fast and fwd can be fast it isnt off point. thats a pretty ignorant statement imo.

i mentioned that pricing will blur things, but wasn't that the case for the base Gencoupe and the MX-5? nothing much happend there.

about the FWD; well with the mindset throughout this thread it could sound ignorant. But what i meant is that FWD's can have all the power they want, but cars like the gencoupe and to much more extent the FT86 are made for RWD FUN. Hence, me saying arguing a FWD is off-point in this context.