Any info on the automatic transmission?

[ryude]

I know that it's derived from the automatic in the IS-F, but I'd like to know the gearing and what kind of control we will have. What RPM is the stall? What is the torque capacity? Does it shift smooth and crisp, or like a typical slushbox?

My last 6 cars were manual so I don't know if I want another, it's starting to annoy me with clutches that wear out the second you up the power and tons of racing. Automatic guys are always faster once you tune them, plus it is so nice to just cruise without worrying about rev-matching.

[Ryuu0u]

All i could gather from recent reviews was that its not anything special.

[ryude]

Originally Posted by Ryuu0u

All i could gather from recent reviews was that its not anything special.

Appreciate the reply, I guess we will have to wait for more information. I guess it will have paddle shifts?

[madfast]

Here's what we do know:

-Aisin made
-6 speed
-based on the IS-F
-paddle shift mounted on the wheel
-has a Sport mode and a Snow mode
-has a Manual mode (M on the shift gate)
-rev matched downshifts
-temporary manual mode (when you hit the downshift paddle in D)

[madfast]

Originally Posted by Ryuu0u

All i could gather from recent reviews was that its not anything special.

if it indeed turns out to be a 6 speed version of the IS-F tranny, then it IS special.... VERY, VERY special....

AT haters gon hate... but i'll be enjoying my 0.1 sec shifts too much to care

[Dimman]

Lotus uses a Camry 6 auto in the Evora, and just with software they apparently made it into a pretty damn good sports transmission.

Auto guys shouldn't worry. If they've taken lessons from the IS-F's and whatever Lotus did with the Camry's, it'll rock (for an auto...).

[ryude]

Originally Posted by madfast

Here's what we do know:

-Aisin made
-6 speed
-based on the IS-F
-paddle shift mounted on the wheel
-has a Sport mode and a Snow mode
-has a Manual mode (M on the shift gate)
-rev matched downshifts
-temporary manual mode (when you hit the downshift paddle in D)

Thank you sir, this information has confirmed it. I am getting the auto!

[CXTKRS1]

Originally Posted by madfast

if it indeed turns out to be a 6 speed version of the IS-F tranny, then it IS special.... VERY, VERY special....

AT haters gon hate... but i'll be enjoying my 0.1 sec shifts too much to care

Enjoy your parasitic loss too. The IS-F can tolerate it because it has a V8 engine under the hood that produces quite a bit of torque. A transmission with a torque converter has no place in a car like this. A dual clutch setup is what should be used in the FRS.

[v12]

in Inside Line review they say
"Eye on Driving Fun
There are disappointments, but they are minor. The six-speed manual is a touch notchy, and not quite as precise as an MX-5 shift, while the six-speed auto that is also on offer changes smoothly and quickly, but lacks the sharpness of its dual-clutch rivals. When it's on, the ESP also intervenes too harshly — the sound of it at work is so loud that you initially feel as if something has broken, and it scrubs out power delivery at an overly dramatic rate."
some small info on automatic trans

[CXTKRS1]

Originally Posted by v12

in Inside Line review they say
"Eye on Driving Fun
There are disappointments, but they are minor. The six-speed manual is a touch notchy, and not quite as precise as an MX-5 shift, while the six-speed auto that is also on offer changes smoothly and quickly, but lacks the sharpness of its dual-clutch rivals. When it's on, the ESP also intervenes too harshly — the sound of it at work is so loud that you initially feel as if something has broken, and it scrubs out power delivery at an overly dramatic rate."
some small info on automatic trans

That fact Hyundai is using a dual clutch setup in an economy car but Toyota is still using a torque converter for their sports car is a damn shame.

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by CXTKRS1

That fact Hyundai is using a dual clutch setup in an economy car but Toyota is still using a torque converter for their sports car is a damn shame.

Maybe bothering to put in an automatic at all was a requirement of their marketing department. If I were Toyota I would have spent virtually zero time dealing with the auto, just throw in whatever if I were forced to, otherwise it'd be manual only, as a sports car should be IMO.

[CXTKRS1]

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

Maybe bothering to put in an automatic at all was a requirement of their marketing department. If I were Toyota I would have spent virtually zero time dealing with the auto, just throw in whatever if I were forced to, otherwise it'd be manual only, as a sports car should be IMO.

I disagree, a high end multi clutch setup like the PDK transmission is superior to the traditional manual transmission in every way. Plus the transmission can be used to replace the slush boxes in other Toyota models which would mean better fuel economy for the entire brand.

[madfast]

Originally Posted by CXTKRS1

Enjoy your parasitic loss too. The IS-F can tolerate it because it has a V8 engine under the hood that produces quite a bit of torque. A transmission with a torque converter has no place in a car like this. A dual clutch setup is what should be used in the FRS.

dual clutches are overrated. there are tons of problems that go along with them. just look at all the problems the M3 had in the beginning. AT with torque converters are making a comeback. 8 sp is the new 6 sp. manuals and DCT's cant touch that just yet. and ZF has a 9 sp in the works.

parasitic loss? there are ways to minimize that, just look at mazda's new skyactiv AT. small torque converter with full TC lock up early and often. nobody knows the details of the FT's AT yet, but if it is based on the IS-F's 8 sp, then there will be TC lock up from 2nd gear on. and 1st gear? yeah the TC "slips" like a slushbox, but guess what? it also creates torque multiplication in the gear you need it most.

and last but not least, when your fancy DCT craps out, and you're out of warranty. good luck with the $10k bill because most if not all of these trannies are NOT serviceable and can only be replaced with a new one... Me and my crappy AT based off a known platform used in multiple cars for years? i can source enough parts to build another one from scratch...

like i said, AT haters gon hate. if you have nothing to add, move along. your insults fall on deaf ears...

[Ikaros]

Originally Posted by madfast

Here's what we do know:

-Aisin made
-6 speed
-based on the IS-F
-paddle shift mounted on the wheel
-has a Sport mode and a Snow mode
-has a Manual mode (M on the shift gate)
-rev matched downshifts
-temporary manual mode (when you hit the downshift paddle in D)

Which review said it has a snow mode? I think I read somewhere that it's great in the snow but I don't remember reading about specific snow mode. If it does have one that might be useful cause of the snow we get up here.