header or catback?! - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

sweeney208 · 03-24-2013, 11:09 AM

hey guys, im a college student and im trying to get something with my tax return money. I want to do exhaust for now and then do coilovers and wheels over the summer. Im looking at the borla UEL header, and the invidia q300 catback. I'm picking one or the other for now because of cost. any advice on which to get first?

I figure it doesnt really matter performance wise now, i just dont want my car sounding weird or crappy until i finish.. or should i just buy one part now and not install until i have everything purchased? There will probably be a 3 month gap between the purchases..

Just lookin for some advice, thanks

infinite012 · 03-24-2013, 11:19 AM

Use that money towards your car payment.

sweeney208 · 03-24-2013, 11:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by infinite012

Use that money towards your car payment.

my cars already paid for, thanks tho..

Books · 03-24-2013, 11:33 AM

I decided to go with the exhaust and headers later this year. And it sounds awesome. I mean eventually you'll get both so I don't think it will that much but I actually am in no rush to get my headers yet because it sounds awesome

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sweeney208 · 03-24-2013, 11:39 AM

thanks Books.. anybody do a header without anything else? I tried looking online and cant find any videos of the borla UEL header without a catback also.. probably telling me nobody does it. Anybody do a header and no catback?

ATL BRZ · 03-24-2013, 11:45 AM

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31851

Borla UEL Headers + stock over/front/midpipe + aftermarket axleback = WIN

sweeney208 · 03-24-2013, 11:50 AM

damn that sounds nice!

JDKane527 · 03-27-2013, 02:11 AM

I'd do catback exhaust. Note that if you do headers, you may have to get a tune to take care of the ecu accepting no cat in the header. It could very well be fine w/o a tune though.

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FR-S Matt · 03-27-2013, 06:39 AM

Get a real header, like Nameless. Save up.

Borla is crap compared to it.

ajrcow · 03-27-2013, 10:16 PM

going header or catback is up to you. as you mentioned, you're not really concerned too much on the performance for now

personally, i would do all the parts eventually if i was in your shoes. the reason why you might ask?

simply because you can get more performance

. from the experience that i've had with cars, simply installing a complete system creates more flow. BUT, it also leans out the system on the car to give it more performance. air fuel ratios will lean out a specific percentage based on the selected exhaust components installed.

the way this works is simple. say you swapped just the header and gained 10 hp as an example. if you swapped just the exhaust and gained 5 hp, it doesn't mean that swapping both will increase 15 hp together. you'll probably have a gain of maybe 12-13 hp. a vehicle can only lean out so much before it no longer gets any more gain. it isn't just about free flow, but also leaning out the system.

this is based on what i've seen when building up my cars in the past. please correct me if i'm wrong.

Vonsamhain · 03-27-2013, 10:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by infinite012

Use that money towards your car payment.

lame

stilletto · 03-27-2013, 10:21 PM

Exhaust. Immediate Results (Sound).

Vonsamhain · 03-27-2013, 10:22 PM

Headers will be a bigger gain in power. Along with front pipe and over pipe. Then catback.

infinite012 · 03-28-2013, 07:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vonsamhain

lame

Or responsible?

03-24-2013, 11:09 AM	#1
sweeney208 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Drives: red subaru brz limited Location: New Haven, CT Posts: 103 Thanks: 51 Thanked 18 Times in 12 Posts Mentioned: 3 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	header or catback?! hey guys, im a college student and im trying to get something with my tax return money. I want to do exhaust for now and then do coilovers and wheels over the summer. Im looking at the borla UEL header, and the invidia q300 catback. I'm picking one or the other for now because of cost. any advice on which to get first? I figure it doesnt really matter performance wise now, i just dont want my car sounding weird or crappy until i finish.. or should i just buy one part now and not install until i have everything purchased? There will probably be a 3 month gap between the purchases.. Just lookin for some advice, thanks

03-27-2013, 02:11 AM	#8
JDKane527 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Drives: Asphalt Scion FR-S Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 499 Thanks: 274 Thanked 215 Times in 136 Posts Mentioned: 10 Post(s) Tagged: 1 Thread(s)	I'd do catback exhaust. Note that if you do headers, you may have to get a tune to take care of the ecu accepting no cat in the header. It could very well be fine w/o a tune though. Sent from my SCH-I535 using Tapatalk 2 __________________ Asphalt Build

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Vonsamhain Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Drives: Scion FR-S (Raven) Location: Hayward, CA Posts: 158 Thanks: 18 Thanked 72 Times in 32 Posts Mentioned: 3 Post(s) Tagged: 1 Thread(s)	Headers will be a bigger gain in power. Along with front pipe and over pipe. Then catback. __________________ 2013 Raven FR-S MT + Sparco Assetto 18x8 + Michelinn Pilot Super Sprot 225/40/r18 + Takeda CAI + Fortune Auto 500 coilovers + Tanabe Sustec front and Rear strut tower brace + Carbeau FX1 / 6 point harness / Harness Bar + Nameless front pipe + Perrin cat back + FA20club E85 tune + Wilwood front & rear brakes

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sweeney208 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Drives: red subaru brz limited Location: New Haven, CT Posts: 103 Thanks: 51 Thanked 18 Times in 12 Posts Mentioned: 3 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	thanks Books.. anybody do a header without anything else? I tried looking online and cant find any videos of the borla UEL header without a catback also.. probably telling me nobody does it. Anybody do a header and no catback?

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ajrcow Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Drives: Scion FRS Location: Vancouver BC Posts: 42 Thanks: 0 Thanked 21 Times in 11 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	going header or catback is up to you. as you mentioned, you're not really concerned too much on the performance for now personally, i would do all the parts eventually if i was in your shoes. the reason why you might ask? simply because you can get more performance . from the experience that i've had with cars, simply installing a complete system creates more flow. BUT, it also leans out the system on the car to give it more performance. air fuel ratios will lean out a specific percentage based on the selected exhaust components installed. the way this works is simple. say you swapped just the header and gained 10 hp as an example. if you swapped just the exhaust and gained 5 hp, it doesn't mean that swapping both will increase 15 hp together. you'll probably have a gain of maybe 12-13 hp. a vehicle can only lean out so much before it no longer gets any more gain. it isn't just about free flow, but also leaning out the system. this is based on what i've seen when building up my cars in the past. please correct me if i'm wrong.

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