FT86 ... AS A SCION???

[SLeRoux92]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

I bet you 2/3 of ppl here gonna be pissed if it's gonna have Scion Badge. rest of the 1/3 don't give a damn if it has Scion, Subaru, Toyota, Mitsubishi or what ever the badge is, they gonna buy it.

i bet 3/3 of everyone debadges it if it is a scion. lol.

[fernan2]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

What? Where did Lexus come from? I never stated I wanna rebadge it to Lexus. Whole town will be laughing at me... let me change that, whole world gonna be laughing at me if I rebadge it Lexus (IF FT-86c came out on Scion).

Also if I buy Scion xA and rebadged it to Toyota ist. Is that a Rice? They're the same model, just like Integra & RSX or any other EQUIVALENT cars. You said Scion rebadged to Toyota is NOT a JDM equivalent, but I say Scion rebadged to Toyota IS a JDM equivalent as long as they're same models, just like other equivalent JDM cars.

^^^^^^^^ 1+

[enc0re]

RICE: Race Inspired Cosmetic Enhancement

A Lexus badge is not rice, an F-Sport badge would be.

Anyway, I hope it'll be a Toyota, so that we'll have options. Then again, Scions have better residual value (because of the lack of options). So there's that.

Celica badge would be a bonus (nostalgia), but ultimately, who cares?

[Midship Runabout]

Originally Posted by enc0re

but ultimately, who cares?

^^^^^^^

[Lexicon101]

Originally Posted by rhythmnsmoke

All the other kills, I was on my old turbo kit making around 250whp/260wtq. But yes, this was using my tC that's done pretty well for itself. 300+whp/300+wtq is decent in this chassis. Once you get even a set of springs on this car, it's a night and day difference. When I had my AE101 corolla, going from stock suspension to some stiffer (el-cheapo coilovers), all I felft was just the car was lower, but didn't really think it did much in performance for me (not that I could feel anyway). But when I put just springs on the tC, handling difference was immediately noticeable. Now running Coilovers....It's the sweetness. She did Awesome Yesterday on the track. I have vids I'll post up later.

Does that say the tC has BETTER suspension seeing that simple coilovers would improve it so greatly?
Not to mention the use of "el-cheapo coilovers" being, most likely, a bad choice.
A night and day difference implies that "night" is the origin. If they made it more "day" to begin with, you wouldn't have to spend cash on springs in the first place, eh?

[Lexicon101]

Oh, and back on topic, if there's a scion version, I'm kinda wondering if they'd call it the fT or the aE..

I might just debadge it completely, though.. regardless of who ends up selling it.
That rear end looks like it'd look just fine without letters or cowboy hats.

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by Lexicon101

Oh, and back on topic, if there's a scion version, I'm kinda wondering if they'd call it the fT or the aE..

I might just debadge it completely, though.. regardless of who ends up selling it.
That rear end looks like it'd look just fine without letters or cowboy hats.

or maybe tT (Toyota Trueno)... oh wait, TT is taken by Audi. How bout tL (Toyota Levin)... Oh Acura has taken that one... Scion goes by alphabetical order (xA, xB, tC, xD), so next is xE. lol

[OldSkoolToys]

Hahaha, I think I've said this once before, so I'll say it again.


Anyone who will or will not be buying this car based completely on what brand its given, you have to wonder about their reasons for buying the car in the first place.

This car, just the car (be it a Toyota or Scion) is going to be a great piece of engineering work. Light weight, RWD, Compact, fair HP, low price, etc. THAT is why you should buy this car. Because there's no other car out there like it (Save the Miata, but its a Roadster, not a hardtop coupe. Its also a 2 seater, with a fairly cramped interior.)

If being badged a Scion is enough to make you NOT want this car then there's nothing really to do but laugh at you. Scion, Toyota, even Lexus...I could care less about the brand or badge when it comes time to buy the car. I just want the damn car. End of story.

Do I want it to be a Scion? Of course not. I want TOYOTA to revive its racing roots. Certainly I'm aware that Scion and Toyota are one and the same, however, that doesn't change the fact that TOYOTA needs a sporty car in the U.S., especially for us old school Toyota fanatics. If its badged as a Scion, will I still buy it? Of fucking course.

[Siriusly.Andrew]

OldSkoolToys to the rescue!
Saves the day once again!
The Crowd goes wild! (alteast Im cheering - in my mind)

I'm with that guy ^ I'm buying it regardless of badge - brand. its Something totally different for me, and the recent market.

[zigzagz94]

Originally Posted by OldSkoolToys

This car, just the car (be it a Toyota or Scion) is going to be a great piece of engineering work. Light weight, RWD, Compact, fair HP, low price, etc. THAT is why you should buy this car. Because there's no other car out there like it (Save the Miata, but its a Roadster, not a hardtop coupe. Its also a 2 seater, with a fairly cramped interior.)

If being badged a Scion is enough to make you NOT want this car then there's nothing really to do but laugh at you. .

Do I want it to be a Scion? If its badged as a Scion, will I still buy it? Of fucking course.

what he said...

[Axel]

I think most of us agree with that... BUT... if it comes in several versions (as Motor Trend hinted at) such as Subaru, Toyota, and Scion... and IF those were all RWD... I'd be predisposed to buy them in this order:

1) Subaru (sportier image, probably more power offered)
2) Toyota (bland image)
3) Scion (cheap shit & weird image)

[fernan2]

Originally Posted by OldSkoolToys

Hahaha, I think I've said this once before, so I'll say it again.

If its badged as a Scion, will I still buy it? Of fucking course.

^^^ Nice.

[Matador]

Originally Posted by OldSkoolToys

Hahaha, I think I've said this once before, so I'll say it again.


Anyone who will or will not be buying this car based completely on what brand its given, you have to wonder about their reasons for buying the car in the first place.

This car, just the car (be it a Toyota or Scion) is going to be a great piece of engineering work. Light weight, RWD, Compact, fair HP, low price, etc. THAT is why you should buy this car. Because there's no other car out there like it (Save the Miata, but its a Roadster, not a hardtop coupe. Its also a 2 seater, with a fairly cramped interior.)

If being badged a Scion is enough to make you NOT want this car then there's nothing really to do but laugh at you. Scion, Toyota, even Lexus...I could care less about the brand or badge when it comes time to buy the car. I just want the damn car. End of story.

Do I want it to be a Scion? Of course not. I want TOYOTA to revive its racing roots. Certainly I'm aware that Scion and Toyota are one and the same, however, that doesn't change the fact that TOYOTA needs a sporty car in the U.S., especially for us old school Toyota fanatics. If its badged as a Scion, will I still buy it? Of fucking course.

None the less, it probably be one of the dumbest marketing ideas ever to badge it Scion instead of Toyota.

Originally Posted by rhythmnsmoke

Tanner's tC doesn't count, Ken Gushi's tC does. It's much closer to home than the Rockstar, even with a different motor. Point I was trying to make though was people give the Celica a pass for it's race history, yet only 3 years worth of WRC was mentioned, and no mention or total disregard for the tC's motorsports participation, as if any of that was easy to come by.

Not going to repeat myself, so go do some reading. Click HERE

[OldSkoolToys]

Originally Posted by MatadorRacing_F1

None the less, it probably be one of the dumbest marketing ideas ever to badge it Scion instead of Toyota.

Hmm, I'd say its a toss-up, as it all depends on how Toyota markets the car over here through shows. The FT's styling would definitely attract the younger market, in large doses. If it gets some face time at large car shows around America (like I unno, NOPI?...I tend not to go to those things) then you basically pre-game your market into buying the car.

Toyota's (rather, Scion's) motivations and decision making might also be affected by the fact that a good majority of Scion buyers aren't actually in the "young adult" bracket, rather, middle-aged with steady incomes.



Its just an objective approach. When it comes to trying to figure out what Toyota will do with this car, ya gotta take off your enthusiast cap and put on your business-man suit....cap.

Still, it'll be hard for them to pass off the "high performance" model, which will probably reach upwards of $27k, as a Scion.