Vortech Supercharging System Update - More boost, more POWER!

[Adeets]

Originally Posted by 2forme

240 is on the newer blower. The 4 people who dynoed the older blower got 225ish. Most had exhausts, too.

If I remember right they also were using the wrong map, using map 1 and not 3, when they used map 3 they had the proper results.

Not bashing your averaging but since they were all tuned by the same people in the same garage, you can't count them as 3 data points, they are 1 data point.

So it should read "the 3 cars that were tuned by the same people showed 225, but they were using the wrong map, upon learning their mistake they got around 240."

[Huehuecoyotl]

Originally Posted by Adeets

If I remember right they also were using the wrong map, using map 1 and not 3, when they used map 3 they had the proper results.

Not bashing your averaging but since they were all tuned by the same people in the same garage, you can't count them as 3 data points, they are 1 data point.

So it should read "the 3 cars that were tuned by the same people showed 225, but they were using the wrong map, upon learning their mistake they got around 240."

there you go, making sense again, LOL

[2forme]

Originally Posted by Adeets

If I remember right they also were using the wrong map, using map 1 and not 3, when they used map 3 they had the proper results.

Not bashing your averaging but since they were all tuned by the same people in the same garage, you can't count them as 3 data points, they are 1 data point.

So it should read "the 3 cars that were tuned by the same people showed 225, but they were using the wrong map, upon learning their mistake they got around 240."

I thought they were tuned by Perrin? If the car was pulling timing on map 1, I don't think map 3 would help much LOL.

[Frostyman]

I want to know if it's possible to get the compressor in polished chrome like in Brian's profile pic. That would be really hot for a show car.

[Pete]

Originally Posted by 2forme

I thought they were tuned by Perrin? If the car was pulling timing on map 1, I don't think map 3 would help much LOL.

No timing was pulled by the ECU on map 1. On map 3 there was some very minor knock correction (less than 1 degree between 7200-7600 rpm).

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...&postcount=206

The 252whp figure was achieved using the 10 PSI pulley on the old kit. Not map 3 with the old kit.

[OrbitalEllipses]

Originally Posted by staycrushing

after doing a quick glance at your posts it seems all you do is hang out on the forced induction forum of this site and comment and/or post against various kits including this one.

are you planning on actually buying one of these kits or are you just here for shits and giggles?

A lot of us are very discerning buyers; being that you have more than one sponsorship (Vortech, Rocket Bunny, etc.) you may not need to discern...we do.

[FirestormFRS]

Originally Posted by Calum

The only kit I've said anything against was this one. I've asked questions of about the AVO kit that could have come off as veiled criticisms, but certainly weren't and I'm pretty sure the people I was asking understood that. If they didn't, my apologies as I have nothing but respect for the AVO kit and most of the other turbo kits I've seen. The only thing I've said against this kit is that it looked like the compressor was running way outside of it's efficiency island. Given that they are upgrading the compressor, it stands to reason I was right.

Now does that make it defective, maybe, maybe not. I've stated my case twice now because people feel the need to dredge is back up. I'm not gonna bother again.

As for why I'm posting in this thread, I'm here because I'm very interested in the system. This is the same reason I've been here all along. But it didn't take long before I started to realize something was fishy. So I started to prod to find out if I was right or wrong and if so why. The more I asked, the more things became hush hush. I highly doubt I made any difference in Vortech's decision to upgrade the compressor, but I appreciate you insinuation that I may have. Right now, I'm awaiting a few results to make a more informed decision but yes I have every intention of buying something. I'm still not sure which one though.

Now about Vortech's push into the import market... They already sell kits for the 350z & G35, as well as many Honda's. They used the same V3sci for all of those kits and I think it would have been a great match for this car. It would have left a ton a headroom available and wouldn't have required any new designs/parts. I understand that they probably put a metric fuck ton of r&d into this which is why I'm asking questions. I really wish they would tell us why they came to the conclusion that they needed a different compressor.

Either you quoted out of context or your head is freaking huge. I don't see the insinuation from anyone that you had anything to do with the Vortech upgrade.

[Adeets]

Though I don't always like their approach, some times crass, and negative, I think 2forme and calum are necessary evils, and due to their tact or lack off, I'm prolly gonna pull the trigger on the vortech soonish, (wanted to wait til 36k but don't think I'm gonna make it.) and for that I do say thank you to the both of them, their negative out look, and occassional manipulation of facts, has in fact brought alot of light to bear on this kit, and which tuner to pair with it. Kudos you 2.

Don't get me wrong their still a lil annoying, but you can't ignore the outcome.

[2forme]

Originally Posted by Adeets

Though I don't always like their approach, some times crass, and negative, I think 2forme and calum are necessary evils, and due to their tact or lack off, I'm prolly gonna pull the trigger on the vortech soonish, (wanted to wait til 36k but don't think I'm gonna make it.) and for that I do say thank you to the both of them, their negative out look, and occassional manipulation of facts, has in fact brought alot of light to bear on this kit, and which tuner to pair with it. Kudos you 2.

Don't get me wrong their still a lil annoying, but you can't ignore the outcome.

lol I don't manipulate anything, I state the facts, as they are. It doesn't provide comfort for people who just prefer to swallow whatever the beloved salesmen throw at them. I would have thought this vehicle, being an "enthusiast" car, would attract people a little more keen on the stuff vendors promise as opposed to what actually happens in the real world. Apparently it's 50/50. I get PMs thanking me for my posts and appreciating what I bring up. Did I ever once tell people NOT to buy a Vortech? No. I merely asked Perrin to explain how they managed to get 30+ whp over everyone else who has this kit. If you want to nuthug the vendors, start your own "Vendor X is awesome thread". This thread is to discuss the Vortech kit, it's strengths, it's weaknesses, and everything in between. If you can't handle someone with an opposing or in this case questioning view, then a forum... isn't for you.

Post your subtle jabs all you want. I've been nothing but cordial. Tact, as you say I lack, is only missing from posts like this. I don't have to worship every part I put on my car, just because I spent the money on it. At the end of the day, I have knowledge (and questions) about the topic and am going to continue sharing it because I think everyone should be able to make an educated decision, even if they choose not to .

[guarapo]

ok on a more direct question from someone who really is on the edge of deciding which FI option to get, is there any way this kit can see more than 200 torque at the wheels with the new blower and on no more than 93 octane (supporting mods, magic tune!, etc)? Thanks

[PhastekSport]

Originally Posted by 2forme

lol I don't manipulate anything, I state the facts, as they are. It doesn't provide comfort for people who just prefer to swallow whatever the beloved salesmen throw at them. I would have thought this vehicle, being an "enthusiast" car, would attract people a little more keen on the stuff vendors promise as opposed to what actually happens in the real world. Apparently it's 50/50. I get PMs thanking me for my posts and appreciating what I bring up. Did I ever once tell people NOT to buy a Vortech? No. I merely asked Perrin to explain how they managed to get 30+ whp over everyone else who has this kit. If you want to nuthug the vendors, start your own "Vendor X is awesome thread". This thread is to discuss the Vortech kit, it's strengths, it's weaknesses, and everything in between. If you can't handle someone with an opposing or in this case questioning view, then a forum... isn't for you.

Post your subtle jabs all you want. I've been nothing but cordial. Tact, as you say I lack, is only missing from posts like this. I don't have to worship every part I put on my car, just because I spent the money on it. At the end of the day, I have knowledge (and questions) about the topic and am going to continue sharing it because I think everyone should be able to make an educated decision, even if they choose not to .

I guess I need to subscribe to the other FI threads as well. I searched your recent posts but didn't really find many in other places.

Maybe the Vortech kit is the only one being talked about.

Originally Posted by guarapo

ok on a more direct question from someone who really is on the edge of deciding which FI option to get, is there any way this kit can see more than 200 torque at the wheels with the new blower and on no more than 93 octane (supporting mods, magic tune!, etc)? Thanks

Hit 191 on the smaller pulley and old unit so I hope so.

[Calum]

Originally Posted by Chris@Phastek

Maybe the Vortech kit is the only one being talked about.

It does seem to be the most controversial.

[PhastekSport]

I did kind of forgot about the controversy as I sailed at higher speeds on the track :-).



230rwhp with stock blower
252rwhp peak with smaller pulley

???rwhp with new unit. We'll see!

Edit: So I don't thread drift with a new post. Headlights - Colorshift halos with whited out casing and Morimoto retrofit HID kit.

[evo4g63]

Originally Posted by Chris@Phastek

I did kind of forget about the controversy as I sailed at higher speeds on the track :-).



230rwhp with stock blower
252rwhp peak with smaller pulley

???rwhp with new unit. We'll see!

What headlamps are those? Stock modded?