Bullet/Sprintex/Innovate on the bullet website

[Drift-Office]

Originally Posted by Calum

I'm guessing it'll be about 230-240 whp at peak, with a torque curve that's nearly flat until about 6000 ish rpm where it'll probably start a slow decline to redline. All in all I'm expecting something close to the vortech kit, just biased to the low end a touch more.

I've got to say this - what you're describing sounds like the AVO kit and those numbers are based on a Stage 1 tune with OEM overpipe and front pipe with a HKS exhaust.

Ref : http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27974




How about a "torque shelf" that's flat from 2800RPM all the way to 7000RPM and exceeds the Vortech kit @ 4.7 PSI? And without any torque dips of any sort? With a full exhaust and about 5 PSI, 230WHP (and ~180#s TQ) will be an easy reality, and that's an AT model. MTs would make more given the same conditions.

Originally Posted by Calum

BUT, this is all conjecture. Which is why I'm waiting to see the results.

Certainly not impossible I'm sure, but we'll have to play some sort of waiting game... for a bit.

My 2 cents!


Bob @ Drift-Office, LLC

[Calum]

Originally Posted by Drift-Office

I've got to say this - what you're describing sounds like the AVO kit and those numbers are based on a Stage 1 tune with OEM overpipe and front pipe with a HKS exhaust.


How about a "torque shelf" that's flat from 2800RPM all the way to 7000RPM and exceeds the Vortech kit @ 4.7 PSI? And without any torque dips of any sort? With a full exhaust and about 5 PSI, 230WHP (and ~180#s TQ) will be an easy reality, and that's an AT model. MTs would make more given the same conditions.

My 2 cents!
Bob @ Drift-Office, LLC

I know, and the AVO is the ONLY turbo kit on my radar. 7 psi, a little exhaust work and I think I would be happy as a clam. I could probably get away with a stock fuel system for what I want. I just have my heart set on a SC. I don't know why and I can't justify it. Sure I could bull shit and say lag, but seriously, I doubt I would be upset with the amount of lag in the AVO kit.

To be completely honest, I wont even be going FI this year. I had the money, then my winter beater decided it wanted to have a fight with some black ice and a guard rail had to step in and break it up. Not even a week later my basement flooded. Then I caught wind that I might be adding an in-law suit this summer. So yeah, the money I had set aside for this is long gone.

BUT it will happen, so I'm still very interested in what's being developed.

[6-Shift]

Originally Posted by Drift-Office

I've got to say this - what you're describing sounds like the AVO kit and those numbers are based on a Stage 1 tune with OEM overpipe and front pipe with a HKS exhaust.

Ref : http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27974

How about a "torque shelf" that's flat from 2800RPM all the way to 7000RPM and exceeds the Vortech kit @ 4.7 PSI? And without any torque dips of any sort? With a full exhaust and about 5 PSI, 230WHP (and ~180#s TQ) will be an easy reality, and that's an AT model. MTs would make more given the same conditions.

My 2 cents!

Bob @ Drift-Office, LLC

So are you suggesting that his numbers were off or accurate? Also what is your opinion of the design itself? I personally think that it's, by far, the most attractive forced Induction option. Also seems like you could use the Perrin CAI with it.

[Drift-Office]

Originally Posted by Missourifornian

So are you suggesting that his numbers were off or accurate? Also what is your opinion of the design itself? I personally think that it's, by far, the most attractive forced Induction option. Also seems like you could use the Perrin CAI with it.

The only thing I suggested was that for what he wanted, his expectations would be surpassed by AVO's basic Stage 1 offering.

And going by this dyno plot :



It stands to reason that the Sprintex SC kit would alleviate the dreaded torque dip but would fall considerably short of the 230WHP from which was referenced... Just saying, no implications, no judgement. Just commenting based on what's posted here.

Cheers!


Bob @ Drift-Office, LLC

[Mars2]

This Dyno show 42.3% power increase from 106,8 Kw to 152 Kw. So about the same as they advertise ( 40% power increase)
So if the baseline of a toybaru on dynojet is 160 bhp then you can expect 160 +42.3% =227.7 Bhp.
That is with everything else stock. So about the same as the vortech kit @ 6psi does in real life.
But you will have more torque in the dip.

The only thing we don't know is if it's the intercooled version or not.

[Mars2]

Bhp I mean WHP

[invisage]

Well I can't comment on innovate or bullet but I do know that Sprintex only started with tuning two weeks ago (due to licensing/accessibility issues with ecutek). And unfortunately the shop doing the tune for them is extremely busy and the guy doing very methodical which = not the fastest process. To give you an idea when I went to check out that the header I wanted would fit with it the car was sitting outside the garage looking very rejected while they had another car on the dyno Our car should have priority over all others! But seriously it is being worked on and there was a delay for Sprintex at the least with tuning but that's all I know (I've tried to get more out of them but with no luck)

[diss7]

Tuners are like restaurants, if they're busy - its a good thing.

Never go to a quiet one.

[EvilBeaverFace]

Read pages 5 and 6 for Innovate info from the MM shootout. Its not much, but its something.

[akuhei]

Originally Posted by EvilBeaverFace

Read pages 5 and 6 for Innovate info from the MM shootout. Its not much, but its something.

210 hp...but having tune issues. Hmm...

[swift996]

This dyno was debated and analyzed for some time on another thread.

Keep in mind that Aussie dynos read lower than the US dynojets. So you're talking around 230-240 relative to the US dynos we see on here.
Baseline = 143.2 WHP
Claim = 203.8 WHP

This represents about a 42% increase in power. So you're talking about 284 at the flywheel. I think that's right around where a lot of people want to get. I'm sure you can get a few more ponies through a better tune.

[EvilBeaverFace]

Oh I didn't post that so we could debate the whole numbers thing again, just an overall update - news that they are still alive somewhere type thing.

[swift996]

^ Yeah I just saw a comment regarding the power. I thought I'd just share so hopefully more people won't start kicking around the numbers debate again.

[akuhei]

Originally Posted by swift996

^ Yeah I just saw a comment regarding the power. I thought I'd just share so hopefully more people won't start kicking around the numbers debate again.

The shootout was in the states on a us dyno. And the number (210hp) was pulled out of the article concerning the shootout. It also pointed out (and confirms reports) that they were having tuning issues. I wasnt commenting on anything about the Aussie dyno. Read the article..its in there.