The "Pedal Dance" testing - Page 9 - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

Ganthrithor · 03-23-2013, 03:10 AM

Well, this thread is frightening. I autocross an Elise and really don't like the idea of my car trying to drive itself... badly. Maybe I should have just bought an old 911... I really don't know what sounds worse-- a car where I can never turn ABS on for daily driving or a car where I can't turn the ABS off and it sometimes decides to turn off the brakes. At least in a car without ABS you know what to expect... What the christ...

Intermittent computer intervention sounds incredibly awful.

ahausheer · 03-23-2013, 03:29 PM

Can anyone comment on whether pulling the ABS fuse effects this ice mode? I also wonder what would happen if you disconnected the wheel speed sensors at the hubs as I believe those sensors are the only ones telling the car if a wheel is locked or not.

(strictly for track use of course, and not faster lap times just driving practice)

Kamran · 03-23-2013, 09:10 PM

42 degree ambient temp, standing water on the track. Did the dance routine, when the car spun out, hear a nice young lady announcing "icy condition". And the car wouldn't start for a few seconds. After a few try's, ECU must have relaxed to let me start the car again. Not sure if the car stalled due to the spin out, or when icy condition was being announced?? Anyways she sounded very sexy!!! I might try that again just to hear her voice again...

Huehuecoyotl · 03-23-2013, 09:41 PM

what voice and where?

Kamran · 03-23-2013, 10:16 PM

Car audio. Bremerton speedway.
Definetly not the voice in my head! ... This time!

Simmons · 03-23-2013, 11:28 PM

So I tried the Pedal dance today after a couple of runs with ice mode.

No differnce, I still got Ice Mode. It Sucks!!!

Simmons

Kido1986 · 03-24-2013, 02:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Simmons

So I tried the Pedal dance today after a couple of runs with ice mode.

No differnce, I still got Ice Mode. It Sucks!!!

Simmons

Sorry if you mentioned this already; Do you left foot brake? I do not and only get Ice Mode when Pedal Dance is done.

I wonder if there is a Toyota interference with brake+throttle programmed into ECU due to the Unintended Acceleration issues (since some were allegedly caused by floormats).

Simmons · 03-25-2013, 06:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kido1986

Sorry if you mentioned this already; Do you left foot brake? I do not and only get Ice Mode when Pedal Dance is done.

I wonder if there is a Toyota interference with brake+throttle programmed into ECU due to the Unintended Acceleration issues (since some were allegedly caused by floormats).

I do left foot brake, so does my co-driver. I Always get ice mode, and so far he did not.

Simmons

iLuveKetchup · 03-25-2013, 06:55 PM

That sucks to hear about ice mode Eric. This is Clyde w/ the CR at this past Sat's NNJR event.

Simmons · 03-25-2013, 07:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iLuveKetchup

That sucks to hear about ice mode Eric. This is Clyde w/ the CR at this past Sat's NNJR event.

What's up clyde. It does Suck, it was happening before the 2nd slalom and the bowl turn. I have to change my driving style for this car I guess.

Here is a video from Saturday early run, not my fastest.

[ame]http://youtu.be/nTMg8VB02Zk[/ame]

Simmons

kvnchu · 04-02-2013, 09:26 PM

soo the pedal dance works in the 2012 toyota corolla. dont ask me why i know that.. also dont ask why my corolla rental is covered in dirt..

03Z33 · 04-02-2013, 10:48 PM

Works on the Prius C as well

TheEradicator · 04-08-2013, 03:02 AM

Instead of the pedal dance couldn't you just pull a fuse to disable these features?

renfield90 · 04-08-2013, 03:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheEradicator

Instead of the pedal dance couldn't you just pull a fuse to disable these features?

Maybe - the system may kill the EBD if it detects there's no working ABS (I could see some problems with it otherwise). For the autocross guys, this isn't Stock legal.

I get ice mode regardless of whether I'm doing the pedal dance. Don't stab at the brakes - ease on to them and try to threshold brake. My problem got a lot better once I boiled a bit of brake fluid and got a softer pedal. I needed more brake pedal travel to get the same amount of braking force, and so the system was better able to keep up with me.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Simmons

I do left foot brake, so does my co-driver. I Always get ice mode, and so far he did not.

Simmons

See my comment above, try to adjust your braking style. Don't take this as a critique of your driving skills, I'm simply saying you need to adjust to what the car will give you.

The other option is to "hulk smash" the brake pedal when you encounter ice mode. You'll stop...sorta. A brake pad upgrade might help with this strategy since you'll generate more friction between pad and disc for the same pedal pressure.

03-23-2013, 03:29 PM	#114
ahausheer Re-member Join Date: Nov 2011 Drives: Toyota camry Location: S. Cali Posts: 1,001 Thanks: 98 Thanked 292 Times in 152 Posts Mentioned: 2 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Can anyone comment on whether pulling the ABS fuse effects this ice mode? I also wonder what would happen if you disconnected the wheel speed sensors at the hubs as I believe those sensors are the only ones telling the car if a wheel is locked or not. (strictly for track use of course, and not faster lap times just driving practice) __________________ Nothing decays like progress, and nothing preserves like neglect.

03-23-2013, 09:10 PM	#115
Kamran Pepe Le Pew Wannabe Join Date: Dec 2012 Drives: FR-S Location: WA Posts: 147 Thanks: 10 Thanked 26 Times in 18 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	42 degree ambient temp, standing water on the track. Did the dance routine, when the car spun out, hear a nice young lady announcing "icy condition". And the car wouldn't start for a few seconds. After a few try's, ECU must have relaxed to let me start the car again. Not sure if the car stalled due to the spin out, or when icy condition was being announced?? Anyways she sounded very sexy!!! I might try that again just to hear her voice again... __________________ My middle age crisis started prematurely… at 16! I'm also independently very, very..... dependent!

03-23-2013, 10:16 PM	#117
Kamran Pepe Le Pew Wannabe Join Date: Dec 2012 Drives: FR-S Location: WA Posts: 147 Thanks: 10 Thanked 26 Times in 18 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Car audio. Bremerton speedway. Definetly not the voice in my head! ... This time! __________________ My middle age crisis started prematurely… at 16! I'm also independently very, very..... dependent!

03-23-2013, 11:28 PM	#118
Simmons Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Drives: 2024 GR86/ 2015 FRS Location: PA Posts: 961 Thanks: 306 Thanked 575 Times in 269 Posts Mentioned: 17 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	So I tried the Pedal dance today after a couple of runs with ice mode. No differnce, I still got Ice Mode. It Sucks!!! Simmons __________________ 2024 GR86 71 STR/ 2015 FRS 71 STX Sponsors Xero-Limit//Karcepts

04-02-2013, 09:26 PM	#123
kvnchu Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Drives: 2005 S2000 Location: Los Angeles, California Posts: 291 Thanks: 66 Thanked 43 Times in 34 Posts Mentioned: 5 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	soo the pedal dance works in the 2012 toyota corolla. dont ask me why i know that.. also dont ask why my corolla rental is covered in dirt.. __________________ Scion FR-S '13 - Track Toy BMW M Roadster '06 - Track Toy Suzuki GSX-R750 '07 - Track Toy Lexus IS350 '07 - Sold

03-23-2013, 03:10 AM	#113
Ganthrithor Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Drives: '13 BRZ, '06 997, Other Things(TM) Location: Santa Barbara, CA Posts: 1,078 Thanks: 1,715 Thanked 670 Times in 351 Posts Mentioned: 9 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Well, this thread is frightening. I autocross an Elise and really don't like the idea of my car trying to drive itself... badly. Maybe I should have just bought an old 911... I really don't know what sounds worse-- a car where I can never turn ABS on for daily driving or a car where I can't turn the ABS off and it sometimes decides to turn off the brakes. At least in a car without ABS you know what to expect... What the christ... Intermittent computer intervention sounds incredibly awful.

03-25-2013, 06:55 PM	#121
iLuveKetchup My VTEC fluid is full Join Date: Jan 2012 Drives: EFF JAY Location: NYC Posts: 935 Thanks: 149 Thanked 268 Times in 183 Posts Mentioned: 6 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	That sucks to hear about ice mode Eric. This is Clyde w/ the CR at this past Sat's NNJR event.

04-08-2013, 03:02 AM	#125
TheEradicator Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Drives: Scion FR-S (Raven) Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 43 Thanks: 3 Thanked 21 Times in 10 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Instead of the pedal dance couldn't you just pull a fuse to disable these features?

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