2013 Shootout

[dabocx]

Motoiq posted that the Innovative car looked very impressive during the autocross. They posted about it in a comment on their facebook photos.

[Accurate Race Shop]

From what I was hearing in the pit areas the tunes on the cars was the biggest issue. The actual parts were working just fine but the ecu was shutting them down from touching anywhere close to the cars potential.

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[akuhei]

Originally Posted by jasper

From what I was hearing in the pit areas the tunes on the cars was the biggest issue. The actual parts were working just fine but the ecu was shutting them down from touching anywhere close to the cars potential.

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If thats true, it sounds really odd. Countless turbo and vortech users havent had the ecu shutting them down (or it hasnt been reported). Interesting...

[kenward]

Originally Posted by akuhei

If thats true, it sounds really odd. Countless turbo and vortech users havent had the ecu shutting them down (or it hasnt been reported). Interesting...

Agreed. If true, that is very disconcerting. Is "shutting them down" in ECUTek speak akin to limp mode in VAG-COM, when certain measured parameters are exceeded? I've been lurking on countless FI threads and I don't remember this being an issue. Any tuners available to weigh in on this?

[Accurate Race Shop]

Originally Posted by akuhei

If thats true, it sounds really odd. Countless turbo and vortech users havent had the ecu shutting them down (or it hasnt been reported). Interesting...

Yeah I know it sounds weird the innovate car had issues at the dyno ran good for autocross and some of the track events than ran it's quarter mile not even reaching 90mph. They blamed the ecu from what I was hearing. The Crawford car I guess had some uses but were able to pull it together to put up some good times but Kevin still beat it at autocross. Hopefully once they get it all figured out they will post what the official problems were.

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[xwd]

ECUs do what you tell them to do. I've never heard of a Subaru ECU "shutting down' or anything like that. Might have gone into limp mode because something wasn't setup correctly.

AutoX is a lot more about the driver than the car sometimes.

[akuhei]

Originally Posted by dwx

ECUs do what you tell them to do. I've never heard of a Subaru ECU "shutting down' or anything like that. Might have gone into limp mode because something wasn't setup correctly.

AutoX is a lot more about the driver than the car sometimes.

There have been reports of the ECU pulling timing in the higher RPMs, possibly due to knock detection. I believe it was mentioned in the Vortech threads recently by a few forum members/vendors.

[Sportsguy83]

Originally Posted by akuhei

There have been reports of the ECU pulling timing in the higher RPMs, possibly due to knock detection. I believe it was mentioned in the Vortech threads recently by a few forum members/vendors.

It still seems strange to be having such huge ECU issues when plenty of other tuners are using the same software and their kits are producing jaw dropping numbers, with very minor issues (if at all).

[akuhei]

Originally Posted by Sportsguy83

It still seems strange to be having such huge ECU issues when plenty of other tuners are using the same software and their kits are producing jaw dropping numbers, with very minor issues (if at all).

My point exactly. While I understand their desire to keep their information, it would be really nice if Innovate could/would clear up some of the clouds surrounding all of this.

[Accurate Race Shop]

Originally Posted by akuhei

My point exactly. While I understand their desire to keep their information, it would be really nice if Innovate could/would clear up some of the clouds surrounding all of this.

Yeah I wish it would have went perfect for them I am not the guy to be trying to relate what problems they were having I was just there to check out the cars and watch the races. It would be way less confusing if they would release what went wrong.

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[djdnz]

Quit worrying so much, tuning issues are a dime a dozen. They will figure it out before releasing, boost is boost so there's not much difference between this and a turbo setup in terms of ECU tuning. Since they have not changed the injectors it shouldn't be too difficult to get the car running well.

Shame they stopped working with Visconti.

[akuhei]

Originally Posted by djdnz

Quit worrying so much, tuning issues are a dime a dozen. They will figure it out before releasing, boost is boost so there's not much difference between this and a turbo setup in terms of ECU tuning. Since they have not changed the injectors it shouldn't be too difficult to get the car running well.

Shame they stopped working with Visconti.

Who said they stopped? The man only has 24 hours in a day, same as the rest of us. And he works with seemingly countless others on turbo's, E85 and NA tunes. He made several posts about how he enjoyed it and looked forward to continuing. My best guess would be that he just had other commitments for the time being.

And nobody is worrying as much as wondering what is going on. A lot of people are very interested in the PD twin screw supercharger idea, but its been kept hidden from us. We are spoiled by other vendors showing their work and being transparent. I am not one to run around asking for info, but hearing a report that they are having tuning issues just sounds really odd when (almost) nobody else is having such issues. Just dont understand how it could be the issue and wish we had more info to back it up.

[Sportsguy83]

Originally Posted by djdnz

Shame they stopped working with Visconti.

ORLY, tell me more.

[djdnz]

Originally Posted by Sportsguy83

ORLY, tell me more.

I read this earlier, maybe there is more to it though. Hadn't seen anything other than this in regards to tuning.

Originally Posted by SMOKETREES

No they stopped using visconi cause they came to problem or something regarding that. Talked about way to much when I was with them!!

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