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torquemada · 11-26-2011, 11:31 PM

no, STI costs 10.000 Euro more, and the 370 Z 6.000 Euro more

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2232

tripjammer · 11-26-2011, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Buggy51

Should I buy one?

Despite this, at its best, the driving experience is a match for the likes of a Porsche Cayman, and accolades don’t come much higher than that. That it can’t reach those heights across as broad a range of conditions as the German-built car shouldn’t detract from its overall success, because the fact that it can even get close is a minor miracle.

eh?

Drives as good as a cayman? Wow! I will take this at $24k vs $60k for a cayman..

tripjammer · 11-26-2011, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by old greg

That price is up there with the STI, 370Z, Scirocco R, 135i M-Sport etc. I'm just not seeing that kind of value for the money.

Price not set yet...it's all speculation...think more than a scion tC but less than a wrx..about what a genesis coupe 2.0 track retails for.

Spaceywilly · 11-26-2011, 11:46 PM

Prius tires? Seriously? Scion better not pull that shit.

tripjammer · 11-26-2011, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Spaceywilly

Prius tires? Seriously? Scion better not pull that shit.

The Prius actually has 17 inch 215/45 tires? When did that happen?

I admit the car needs some good tires for grip. 17 inch should be on the low spec and 18 inch in the high spec...hell the tC comes with 18 inch!

Spaceywilly · 11-26-2011, 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by tripjammer

The Prius actually has 17 inch 215/45 tires? When did that happen?

I admit the car needs some good tires for grip. 17 inch should be on the low spec and 18 inch in the high spec...hell the tC comes with 18 inch!

I don't know jack about the Prius, but the article says this will have the same "low rolling resistance" (low grip) tires that the Prius has. In the photo album the car has 215/45 r17 Michelin Primacy HP, which makes a lot more sense. Hopefully the autocar reviewer is just an idiot.

OldSkoolToys · 11-26-2011, 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Buggy51

Holy crap, the news is just zooming by lol

I just hope the American FR-S/BRZ isn't at that price point or I'm going to hurl.

Direct conversions of currencies never works in reality. It doesn't take into account many many factors. In any case, this car wouldn't sell anywhere near even the 3000 a month estimation at that price point in the U.S.

I'm not worried about a near $30k price point. I'm worried it'll be closer to $25k, which is still a bit too much, especially after tax (in my state that would up the total cost, PRE INTEREST, to ~$27.5k)

Spaceywilly · 11-26-2011, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by OldSkoolToys

Direct conversions of currencies never works in reality. It doesn't take into account many many factors. In any case, this car wouldn't sell anywhere near even the 3000 a month estimation at that price point in the U.S.

I'm not worried about a near $30k price point. I'm worried it'll be closer to $25k, which is still a bit too much, especially after tax (in my state that would up the total cost, PRE INTEREST, to ~$27.5k)

If you look at the photos from Toyota UK, they are clearly getting the high spec (LED strips, leather trim, heated seats, nav, 17" wheels). I think the Scion will be the low spec and cheaper (and the one I'll buy).

torquemada · 11-26-2011, 11:59 PM

the Michelin Primacy HP is not a sports car tire, it´s more a tire for comfort sedans....disappointing

Dave-ROR · 11-27-2011, 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by tripjammer

The Prius actually has 17 inch 215/45 tires? When did that happen?

I admit the car needs some good tires for grip. 17 inch should be on the low spec and 18 inch in the high spec...hell the tC comes with 18 inch!

you think 18s just grip better or something?

Tell you what, if it comes with 18s you can buy my oem 18 POS setup as it'll be on ebay within hours of buying the car.

old greg · 11-27-2011, 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by torquemada

the Michelin Primacy HP is not a sports car tire, it´s more a tire for comfort sedans....disappointing

Hopefully that's the reason for the awful 0-62 time.

zoomzoomers · 11-27-2011, 12:21 AM

I know some of you out there might be disappointed with the performance numbers, but it isn't all that far off from the type of numbers they said they were aiming for. So I guess we shouldn't be too surprised. I, for one, would still buy one. Just for the sole fact that they (Toyota/Subaru) have finally brought back the "type" of car most car enthusiasts have been crying for so long. I say chalk one up for us!

Spaceywilly · 11-27-2011, 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by torquemada

the Michelin Primacy HP is not a sports car tire, it´s more a tire for comfort sedans....disappointing

Well at least they are summer tires and not rock solid like the Prius "Eco" tires. Also according to the review it gets 33mpg (40mpg imperial) combined, probably thanks in part to those tires.

FREDUKE · 11-27-2011, 12:24 AM

There are disappointments, but they are minor. The six-speed manual gearbox is a touch notchy, while the optional six-speed automatic changes smoothly and quickly but lacks the sharpness of its dual-clutch rivals. When it’s on, the stability control system also intervenes too harshly.

So is it safe to get an automatic?

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torquemada natural born kraut Join Date: Nov 2011 Drives: EDM WRX STI MY06 WRB Location: germany Posts: 142 Thanks: 5 Thanked 16 Times in 8 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	no, STI costs 10.000 Euro more, and the 370 Z 6.000 Euro more http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2232

11-26-2011, 11:59 PM	#37
torquemada natural born kraut Join Date: Nov 2011 Drives: EDM WRX STI MY06 WRB Location: germany Posts: 142 Thanks: 5 Thanked 16 Times in 8 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	the Michelin Primacy HP is not a sports car tire, it´s more a tire for comfort sedans....disappointing

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zoomzoomers Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Drives: 2013 Subaru SWP BRZ Limited 6AT Location: Darkside Posts: 1,862 Thanks: 526 Thanked 305 Times in 207 Posts Mentioned: 9 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I know some of you out there might be disappointed with the performance numbers, but it isn't all that far off from the type of numbers they said they were aiming for. So I guess we shouldn't be too surprised. I, for one, would still buy one. Just for the sole fact that they (Toyota/Subaru) have finally brought back the "type" of car most car enthusiasts have been crying for so long. I say chalk one up for us!

11-27-2011, 12:24 AM	#42
FREDUKE Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Drives: A Bucket Location: Los Angeles Posts: 13 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	There are disappointments, but they are minor. The six-speed manual gearbox is a touch notchy, while the optional six-speed automatic changes smoothly and quickly but lacks the sharpness of its dual-clutch rivals. When it’s on, the stability control system also intervenes too harshly. So is it safe to get an automatic?

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