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[RedLeader]

the only real upside I see with E85 is that if you decide you DON'T want it anymore, you just stop putting it in. Its more difficult to de-mod a car for whatever reason than it is to switch fuel types. The problem with it (and that "pay to play" line is a pile of shit and everyone knows it) is that its not a one-time power adder like a turbo, or cams and pistons, or a tune, its an constantly ongoing drain. Sure, with a turbo the gains from E85 are potentially greater but I'd bet that with an aggressive turbo, E85, maybe some low comp pistons and even more boost and timing advance, you're getting really close to the car as a daily driver being not only impractical but also nearly unaffordable.
I guess my opinion of E85 as a permanent fuel source for my car is tainted by the fact that I drive my car everywhere, everyday cuz its my only car. paying 50-70% more per mile after I finally go S/C (or maybe twin scroll turbo, I'm contemplating that as well) AND having to find E85 stations in Tucson and wherever else my job takes me, all add up to it not being a feasible solution. I kinda view E85 right up there with NO2...since each car is an extension of its owner/builder, doing something like an E85 swap or hooking up a NO2 tank, to me is lazy, and that laziness is reflected in the build and in the owner/builder. But then I don't see cars in terms of numbers like peak horsepower, torque, lateral g's, 0-60 times, 1/4 mile times..to me its more about the experience and joy of driving, not trying to hit a number goal.

But that's just me, rant over. I think I got a LITTLE carried away. Sleep time.

[evo4g63]

Originally Posted by RedLeader

the only real upside I see with E85 is that if you decide you DON'T want it anymore, you just stop putting it in. Its more difficult to de-mod a car for whatever reason than it is to switch fuel types. The problem with it (and that "pay to play" line is a pile of shit and everyone knows it) is that its not a one-time power adder like a turbo, or cams and pistons, or a tune, its an constantly ongoing drain. Sure, with a turbo the gains from E85 are potentially greater but I'd bet that with an aggressive turbo, E85, maybe some low comp pistons and even more boost and timing advance, you're getting really close to the car as a daily driver being not only impractical but also nearly unaffordable.
I guess my opinion of E85 as a permanent fuel source for my car is tainted by the fact that I drive my car everywhere, everyday cuz its my only car. paying 50-70% more per mile after I finally go S/C (or maybe twin scroll turbo, I'm contemplating that as well) AND having to find E85 stations in Tucson and wherever else my job takes me, all add up to it not being a feasible solution. I kinda view E85 right up there with NO2...since each car is an extension of its owner/builder, doing something like an E85 swap or hooking up a NO2 tank, to me is lazy, and that laziness is reflected in the build and in the owner/builder. But then I don't see cars in terms of numbers like peak horsepower, torque, lateral g's, 0-60 times, 1/4 mile times..to me its more about the experience and joy of driving, not trying to hit a number goal.

But that's just me, rant over. I think I got a LITTLE carried away. Sleep time.

I assume you've never used e85?

[Yruyur]

Originally Posted by RedLeader

the only real upside I see with E85 is that if you decide you DON'T want it anymore, you just stop putting it in. Its more difficult to de-mod a car for whatever reason than it is to switch fuel types. The problem with it (and that "pay to play" line is a pile of shit and everyone knows it) is that its not a one-time power adder like a turbo, or cams and pistons, or a tune, its an constantly ongoing drain. Sure, with a turbo the gains from E85 are potentially greater but I'd bet that with an aggressive turbo, E85, maybe some low comp pistons and even more boost and timing advance, you're getting really close to the car as a daily driver being not only impractical but also nearly unaffordable.
I guess my opinion of E85 as a permanent fuel source for my car is tainted by the fact that I drive my car everywhere, everyday cuz its my only car. paying 50-70% more per mile after I finally go S/C (or maybe twin scroll turbo, I'm contemplating that as well) AND having to find E85 stations in Tucson and wherever else my job takes me, all add up to it not being a feasible solution. I kinda view E85 right up there with NO2...since each car is an extension of its owner/builder, doing something like an E85 swap or hooking up a NO2 tank, to me is lazy, and that laziness is reflected in the build and in the owner/builder. But then I don't see cars in terms of numbers like peak horsepower, torque, lateral g's, 0-60 times, 1/4 mile times..to me its more about the experience and joy of driving, not trying to hit a number goal.

But that's just me, rant over. I think I got a LITTLE carried away. Sleep time.

I see your points.

Flex fuel is really the way to go. Then you get the better fuel economy by only needing 30% ethanol to be able to get the timing benefits plus the fuel economy of pumpgas while not being limited to gas station locations.

As far as being a lazy builder, I'm not sure about that. Everyone of us is going a different route with their cars and I'm glad. It would suck to have all of us with the same mods.

Your more than welcome to drive my car the next time you are up here. I like showing people another option they have for their car. Not the best, cheapest or most powerful option, just another option.

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[Sivtec]

Originally Posted by RedLeader

the only real upside I see with E85 is that if you decide you DON'T want it anymore, you just stop putting it in. Its more difficult to de-mod a car for whatever reason than it is to switch fuel types. The problem with it (and that "pay to play" line is a pile of shit and everyone knows it) is that its not a one-time power adder like a turbo, or cams and pistons, or a tune, its an constantly ongoing drain. Sure, with a turbo the gains from E85 are potentially greater but I'd bet that with an aggressive turbo, E85, maybe some low comp pistons and even more boost and timing advance, you're getting really close to the car as a daily driver being not only impractical but also nearly unaffordable.
I guess my opinion of E85 as a permanent fuel source for my car is tainted by the fact that I drive my car everywhere, everyday cuz its my only car. paying 50-70% more per mile after I finally go S/C (or maybe twin scroll turbo, I'm contemplating that as well) AND having to find E85 stations in Tucson and wherever else my job takes me, all add up to it not being a feasible solution. I kinda view E85 right up there with NO2...since each car is an extension of its owner/builder, doing something like an E85 swap or hooking up a NO2 tank, to me is lazy, and that laziness is reflected in the build and in the owner/builder. But then I don't see cars in terms of numbers like peak horsepower, torque, lateral g's, 0-60 times, 1/4 mile times..to me its more about the experience and joy of driving, not trying to hit a number goal.

But that's just me, rant over. I think I got a LITTLE carried away. Sleep time.

I am not trying to argue for the record just merely pointing out, wouldn't this be a pefect example of pay to play? If you want more power your going to spend money regardless, whether your going around a track or going in a straight line. I am NOT saying however that you can't have fun with this car without mods, being at Autocross with Ninjin and Jasper showed me that considering their cars are heavily modified (well at least Ninjin's ). But if you are going to 'play' it's always going to be expensive especially on something that you constantly have to put in your car (E85, NO2 etc.).

That being said I personally can't afford gas right now as it, much less losing MPG so I will just stick with Premium. But if I had the money I totally would.

[Sivtec]

Originally Posted by Yruyur

I see your points.

Flex fuel is really the way to go. Then you get the better fuel economy by only needing 30% ethanol to be able to get the timing benefits plus the fuel economy of pumpgas while not being limited to gas station locations.

As far as being a lazy builder, I'm not sure about that. Everyone of us is going a different route with their cars and I'm glad. It would suck to have all of us with the same mods.

Your more than welcome to drive my car the next time you are up here. I like showing people another option they have for their car. Not the best, cheapest or most powerful option, just another option.

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Agreed.

[Yruyur]

I don't touch Facebook but someone who does should try and hit up the FI cars going to the shootout and invite them to the Pavs.

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[makab]

Hi guys, I had a quick question and was wondering if anyone in here is experiencing the same thing.

today I noticed when slowing down in neutral, I hear a rattling/chattering noise. this happens usually between 30-20 mph.

has anyone experienced this?

[Yruyur]

Originally Posted by makab

Hi guys, I had a quick question and was wondering if anyone in here is experiencing the same thing.

today I noticed when slowing down in neutral, I hear a rattling/chattering noise. this happens usually between 30-20 mph.

has anyone experienced this?

Does it stop if you put the clutch in?

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[makab]

Originally Posted by Yruyur

Does it stop if you put the clutch in?

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I haven't tried it. it only happens for short period of time maybe 5 seconds and goes away.

i will try to put the clutch in and see if it goes away or not.

[Sivtec]

Originally Posted by makab

Hi guys, I had a quick question and was wondering if anyone in here is experiencing the same thing.

today I noticed when slowing down in neutral, I hear a rattling/chattering noise. this happens usually between 30-20 mph.

has anyone experienced this?

Mine doesn't do this but mine does do this weird rev thing. If I rev while clutch is engaged and then come to a light and throw in the clutch as I am slowing down the rpms drop and then spike up for a second and then drop again. I believe it has to do with my overall issue of the weird idle problem I am having. It just feels like a vacuum issue or something. It's all based on how high the rpms are when the clutch goes in. And I know its not the intake cause its stock now.

If anyone can try this and let me know what they experience that would be great. (Rev up to above say 6000 rpms and then throw in the clutch and hold it and see if your rpms drop down where they are supposed to or if it drops then shoots up again and then drops again.)

[pghfan19]

Yea I have something similar, sounds like a piece of metal vibrating under the hood..someone on the forums thought it may be related to the fly wheel. I took my car to the dealer and long story short they acknowledge the noise being irregular, claimed to have fixed it, only for the noise to come right back..the dealers response to me was its related to a valve with the exhaust system and normal and said the noise will increase if I put an aftermarket exhaust on..I'm still not buying the dealers response

[Sivtec]

Originally Posted by pghfan19

Yea I have something similar, sounds like a piece of metal vibrating under the hood..someone on the forums thought it may be related to the fly wheel. I took my car to the dealer and long story short they acknowledge the noise being irregular, claimed to have fixed it, only for the noise to come right back..the dealers response to me was its related to a valve with the exhaust system and normal and said the noise will increase if I put an aftermarket exhaust on..I'm still not buying the dealers response

Well I have an aftermarket exhaust and I don't hear it at all

[makab]

this is what i hear and experience.

found this on some other form under "flywheel rattle"

http://s421.beta.photobucket.com/use..._1331.mp4.html

pay attention as it gets close to 30 mph

[SMOKETREES]

Originally Posted by makab

this is what i hear and experience.

found this on some other form under "flywheel rattle"

http://s421.beta.photobucket.com/use..._1331.mp4.html

pay attention as it gets close to 30 mph

Never heard this but i have seen other posting about this noise and people are saying its one of the pulleys. Other vid i saw actually had someone under the hood and watched this pulley just shack like a mofo!