AutoX crash in the BRZ

[Guillaume]

Notice the hands position and the flawless technique.

[dori.]

Originally Posted by ft_sjo

I hope this educates you: Understeer and oversteer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

dunno man, he turned left and the car went straight ahead

maybe it was the camera perspective but if he was oversteering then wouldn't the side of the car hit that bank and not the front

or he just didn't turn enough

or something

[akuhei]

Originally Posted by dori.

dunno man, he turned left and the car went straight ahead

maybe it was the camera perspective but if he was oversteering then wouldn't the side of the car hit that bank and not the front

or he just didn't turn enough

or something

The oversteer starts at the turn before. Yes, he turns hard left, but only after making a hard right around that cone, which could have initiated a drift (and looks like it did). The car drifted/slid right out and into the bank.

[White64Goat]

That was also a much larger course but the slalom was pretty good. Saw driver pound his hand near the end, did he hit/miss a cone or was that the end of the course?

[blkwrxwag]

yeah - he hit the outside cone on the last left before the finish!

[naikaidriver]

Originally Posted by Guillaume

Notice the hands position and the flawless technique.

Not to mention smooth steering inputs. Notice he never "jerks" the wheel.

As a fellow autox-er I sympathize about your wreck. Watching your video though, kinda reminds me of when that actor who played in "Undercover Brother" (Eddie Griffin) was driving around in a director's new Ferrari Enzo as a promotion to the movie "Redline". He understeered that $1m Enzo straight into a concrete wall.


Scott

[White64Goat]

OP video now says "Private Video". What happened?

[CTB727]

Originally Posted by White64Goat

OP video now says "Private Video". What happened?

+1

[GT 86 Brah]

[jsooke]

Yes private for a bit.

Really appreciate the comments: was looking for the input.

I do not want to jeopardize the use of the facility too much for what we do. We will be discussing safety aspects a bit more. There is usually about one major incident each year, so far no injuries; between all the clubs there are probably about 30-40 events. It is always an on going topic. The courses are designed within our governing body rules. In about 8 years of autoX I have had only one spin, although I was driving underpowered FWD cars. And I know I have room for improvement ... we all should have some one in the know take a ride and critique how we are driving.

On a different note, now that the car is completely apart, there is a good opportunity to change the colour scheme cheaply. GF wants red, but it is more expensive. I am leaning towards yellow.

[Porsche]

Originally Posted by jsooke

I think what happened is as I came around cone on right the back end might have kicked out a bit (I do not remember this happening)

It seemed clear to me on the video.

You experienced power OVERSTEER around the first cone of the slalom, making that fast right, and then had no room to recover and go left before you shot up the embankment, rolling onto your head.

By the way, for everyone here: Be very careful when up-ended like that. Some people have been paralyzed for life AFTER THE CRASH because they unthinkingly released their harness and then fell onto their heads breaking their necks. Support yourself before releasing any belts when you're upside down.

Consider suing these people. I'm not a lawyer, but I'd be surprised if you lost your case. They should replace your car at the very least. They should have insurance to cover themselves. You probably signed a waiver, BUT you had the right to expect a safe course that would not endanger your life for making a common amateur's mistake. You should have just spun harmlessly, at worst.

Something to consider.

Sorry, but there's simply no excuse for this poorly (irresponsibly stupid) designed course. Your crash was inevitable, given the course design and its close proximity to that embankment.

I would note, too, that while difficult to discern clearly, just after the start there was a quick left-right jog that was stable for your car but might put a big torque monster pony car into the concrete barrier on the left. It was hard to tell from the video just how distant that barrier was, but it looked perilously close.

Finally, WHY WERE THERE PEDESTRIANS RUNNING TO GET OUT OF YOUR WAY halfway around the course?

In the future, I recommend one FIRST evaluate the safety of the course. Ask oneself at every point along the course, "What if things go wrong at THIS point? Is there ANY POSSIBILITY OF HITTING SOMETHING?"

If you can answer "yes" at any point, then the course either needs to be re-designed, or YOU need to decline to run it.

It's good that you're okay and uninjured. The car can be repaired, but you're only issued one bag of juices in which to live in this lifetime...

[Midtenn]

I haven't seen the video. To comment on everyone's critique of positioning of the hands, if you watch many forms of racing, you'll see the fastest drivers using different techniques. In auto-x alone I can think of at least 3 different National champions that use 3 different techniques. I've seen some of the fastest drivers use anything from 9-3, to 10-2, to 11-1, to shuffle steering. It really depends on your driving style and what you're comfortable with.

[MightyMize]

Tough Break. That vid was hard to watch, made me wench.

[Porsche]

Originally Posted by jsooke

(no room for error in some sections).

There you are...

"Judgment for the plaintiff. Defendants to pay $30,000 plus court costs."

In The World According to Porsche, you got yourself into trouble with your throttle foot, not your hands. Yes, borrowed from a famous stock car racer of days gone by who said, "I got a little behind on my steering." Yes, you did.

But it was your THROTTLE foot that put you in that predicament in the first place.

Ask Dave, the moderator. He strikes me as being a knowledgeable fellow. Show him your video if he hasn't seen it. I think he'll agree with me.