FR-S/BRZ vs. Genesis Coupe

[cassidy0998]

Originally Posted by Dark

Hyundai is trying to copy most mainstream brands. Equus is like LS ripped off, Sonata has MB side profile. Only Gen Sedan looks more original.

They haven't copied anyone, they're only being competitive. Anyone can say that any two cars look the same or share similar qualities/features, there are so many out there that it's nearly impossible to be totally original.

[Dark]

Originally Posted by cassidy0998

They haven't copied anyone, they're only being competitive. Anyone can say that any two cars look the same or share similar qualities/features, there are so many out there that it's nearly impossible to be totally original.

It's impossible to be completely original, but it's not hard to differentiate from other brands. Go look at First tier luxury brand in the US like MB, BMW, Audi, and Lexus. They are much more original than Hyundai. Even Kia is has more cohesive and beautiful design language than Hyundai. Hyundai designers tried so hard to make their cars look pretty, unfortunately, the whole line up turns out to be a whale design language.

[cassidy0998]

Originally Posted by Dark

It's impossible to be completely original, but it's not hard to differentiate from other brands. Go look at First tier luxury brand in the US like MB, BMW, Audi, and Lexus. They are much more original than Hyundai. Even Kia is has more cohesive and beautiful design language than Hyundai. Hyundai designers tried so hard to make their cars look pretty, unfortunately, the whole line up turns out to be a whale design language.

I'm not going to argue about it, as you said earlier, to each his own. But I just want to say that I completely 100% disagree. I think Hyundai's lineup looks great in comparison with other brands, and their sales appear to be going over pretty well so that must mean I'm not the only one.

It's cool though! You don't have to like them.

[Snoopyalien24]

Originally Posted by Dark

It's impossible to be completely original, but it's not hard to differentiate from other brands. Go look at First tier luxury brand in the US like MB, BMW, Audi, and Lexus. They are much more original than Hyundai. Even Kia is has more cohesive and beautiful design language than Hyundai. Hyundai designers tried so hard to make their cars look pretty, unfortunately, the whole line up turns out to be a whale design language.

True that, Kia's look great, Hyundai.... well..... not so much.

But hey, Toyota admitted of copying many other brands, and they kinda still do. Except with the FT-86

[Dark]

Originally Posted by Snoopyalien24

True that, Kia's look great, Hyundai.... well..... not so much.

But hey, Toyota admitted of copying many other brands, and they kinda still do. Except with the FT-86

I don't know, as long as a few of my favorite cars in Toyota line are original. Something like Land Cruiser, 4Runner, FJ, Sienna, Venza, and Prius( but seriously, the new one is a great looking car). All these years, Toyota have done more rebadge than copy styling.

[Deslock]

Originally Posted by aliphian

WTF?

In 1st gear, the gutless AP1 S2000 (curb weight ~2800 lbs) makes ~1900-2200 lbf*ft wtq.

In 1st gear, my lowly stock NB (curb weight ~2300 lbs) makes ~1200-1400 lbf*ft wtq. Even in 5th, it makes more than 300 lbf*ft wtq.

Originally Posted by SUB-FT86

But you guys should know what we mean when we say 300 wtq. We are talking dyno numbers not the multiplied amount which we all know is a lot more than 300 wtq depending on gearing in which the GC has good gearing.

Why write wtq if you don't mean wheel torque? It's not safe to assume that everyone understands that a dyno doesn't show wheel torque.

Originally Posted by Ryephile

If you want to be technically precise, you'll post a graph of "torque to the contact patches" versus speed. Going further, you would factor in vehicle weight and aero drag and calculate the acceleration g-force curve versus speed.

And traction, temperature, altitude, road gradient, etc. But this isn't about being technical or precise so much as about not misusing terms.

Originally Posted by Dragonitti

You speaking for yourself. I have come to look past drivetrain. A fast car is a fast car, I can care less which wheels drive it.

I have fond memories of my CRX Si, and cars like the MCS can be amusing. But I see no reason to suffer with FWD.

Originally Posted by Dragonitti

I am already over the 300lbft wtq and plan to make another 100 or so.

[n2oinferno]

Originally Posted by Godzilla35

In for the chat. The gencoupe forum is super disorganized and I've been piecing together most of the stuff off of the brochure that's been posted recently on KoreanCarBlog...

I just want to know what the pricing on the r-spec / track is going to be w/what options. And same for the FRS/BRZ. Power-to-weight ratios are pretty equal aren't they?

Disorganized how? Or are you referring to the one post that we kept merging all the info about the 2013? Just haven't gotten around to locking that one down and making a new thread, since the Korean reveal happened just recently and there's probably 50 pages of stuff to pull from.
Unfortunately we don't have pricing and options yet, since the KDM models will be different than the USDM models.

Originally Posted by fernan2

Thanks for noticing my handiwork.
I think that's fairly close to what one of the new colors will look like, according to the Korean brochure.

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by Dark

Hyundai is trying to copy most mainstream brands. Equus is like LS ripped off, Sonata has MB side profile. Only Gen Sedan looks more original.

i think its important to think back a couple years when criticizing hyundai. i mean lexus made a name for itself by copying merc with the ls and now you are mentioning them as being original. give it time

[SUB-FT86]

Originally Posted by Deslock

In 1st gear, the gutless AP1 S2000 (curb weight ~2800 lbs) makes ~1900-2200 lbf*ft wtq.

In 1st gear, my lowly stock NB (curb weight ~2300 lbs) makes ~1200-1400 lbf*ft wtq. Even in 5th, it makes more than 300 lbf*ft wtq.


Why write wtq if you don't mean wheel torque? It's not safe to assume that everyone understands that a dyno doesn't show wheel torque.


And traction, temperature, altitude, road gradient, etc. But this isn't about being technical or precise so much as about not misusing terms.


I have fond memories of my CRX Si, and cars like the MCS can be amusing. But I see no reason to suffer with FWD.

What the hell are you talking about? WTQ is short for Wheel Torque.

[Godzilla35]

Originally Posted by n2oinferno

Disorganized how? Or are you referring to the one post that we kept merging all the info about the 2013? Just haven't gotten around to locking that one down and making a new thread, since the Korean reveal happened just recently and there's probably 50 pages of stuff to pull from.
Unfortunately we don't have pricing and options yet, since the KDM models will be different than the USDM models.

YUP! it's weird, cuz i've been a member for a little bit and that's like the ONE thread I NEED NEED and it's basically a huge dog-pile of info / crying / speculation / photoshops / actual pics / etc.... If you check out the Korean brochure and compare it to some of the "speculated" options that might be added / deleted to the USDM one, that could at least help some of us that are on the fence. I personally though, sadly, have jumped ship. I am angling pretty strongly toward the BRZ and "FT86" in that order. My brother is in the opposite camp, he wants the FT more than the BRZ. But the gencoupe has not really improved its looks, to put it lightly. I'll put my photoshop up on the new thread when you guys get it organized. Maybe you'll like it. Basically just made the gen look like the GT-R since that's what everyone is doing nowadays. lol...

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by SUB-FT86

What the hell are you talking about? WTQ is short for Wheel Torque.

i think he means that in order for tq to get to the wheels it goes through a transmission that multiplies tq in a significant way. thats why you can do a burnout in first and not fifth. in first you have thousands of tqs and in fifth, not so much.

[Dragonitti]

Originally Posted by Deslock

I have fond memories of my CRX Si, and cars like the MCS can be amusing. But I see no reason to suffer with FWD.

Again, that's your opinion. I can care less what the drivetrain is. Just because one car is an AWD or RWD does not automatically guarantee it's going to be faster than the FWD competitor. You make the vehicle as you see fit.

Originally Posted by Deslock

Point of your picture is what?

Originally Posted by fatoni

i think he means that in order for tq to get to the wheels it goes through a transmission that multiplies tq in a significant way. thats why you can do a burnout in first and not fifth. in first you have thousands of tqs and in fifth, not so much.

You don't dyno a car in 1st gear. It's the gear that's closest to 1:1 ratio. So again, his statement doesn't make sense. And a stock NA would not dyno 300ftlbs in 5th gear. Not making much sense and I'm not the only one not getting what he's talking about with the the whole wtq comments. WTQ stands for wheel torque in the gear that's closest to 1:1 ratio on a Dyno, it doesn't need to be any more complicated than that.

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by Dragonitti

Again, that's your opinion. I can care less what the drivetrain is. Just because one car is an AWD or RWD does not automatically guarantee it's going to be faster than the FWD competitor. You make the vehicle as you see fit.






Point of your picture is what?





You don't dyno a car in 1st gear. It's the gear that's closest to 1:1 ratio. So again, his statement doesn't make sense. And a stock NA would not dyno 300ftlbs in 5th gear. Not making much sense and I'm not the only one not getting what he's talking about with the the whole wtq comments. WTQ stands for wheel torque in the gear that's closest to 1:1 ratio on a Dyno, it doesn't need to be any more complicated than that.

you dont read a book in the dark but it doesnt mean they cease to exist. wtq stands for wheel torque. i think we make an assumption as a car community that we are talking about the wtq that most closely represents the tq at the flywheel (whick isnt even very standard as being as close to something doesnt really mean that much)...but he wasnt so all i did was try to explain it

[Dark]

Originally Posted by fatoni

i think its important to think back a couple years when criticizing hyundai. i mean lexus made a name for itself by copying merc with the ls and now you are mentioning them as being original. give it time

You mean the LS? Yes, of course, it's Toyota Crown. First generation was made since 1950s. It's about the same time S-class was made. I admitted that 1991 Model look similar to S-class, but not a direct copy like Hyundai using very similar headlight to MB concept headlight and side profile. Well, if LS copied front design S-class, then E-class also copied quad-squared headlight from GS.