GT 86 Hybrid. Would you?

[Mandy]

I heard you guys don't like hybrids

Would like to have a word with you.

[OnkelC]

Actually, I double dipped when signing the contract for the GT 86. I also leased an Auris Hybrid as company car the same day to do something for the environmental mind.

[KritiK]

in not a big fan of hybrids, but not all look weird, look the ferrari laferrari

[l0aded]

gt86 already has pretty good mileage; a hybrid is hardly necessary for this car..

[Bristecom]

If they can do some type of energy recovery based system like the Toyota Le Mans car as mentioned above, or better yet, an AWD system like the new Audi Le Mans cars, then that would be cool as long as it didn't add too much weight or cost too much. More power and/or traction with the same or better fuel economy.

[Brzetto]

Are the taillights going to morph into intergalactic ion engines/jets? *sarcasm*

[Kunzite]

I hate hybrids. They can't be made sporty at all - we only have to look at Toyota's to see that
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTvWSKjySW4"]Toyota Le Mans HYBRID [in-car] EV Mode pit exit and on-track - YouTube[/ame]

If it'll happen it won't be HSD.

[shawnperolis]

Originally Posted by quasi86

That is not true at all. Hybrids are not a gimmick. This is a very uninformed ridiculous statement.

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Got anything to back that up?

Hybrids are ridiculously expensive compared to their non-hybrid counterparts, don't get all that amazing gas mileage (My old 91 CRX got over 50mpg and my 2008 Hyundai Accent got about 40mpg) They add a lot of weight to the cars with batteries and an extra motor. The batteries go bad and must be replaced, the minerals in the batteries are mined out of the earth and are hazardous to the environment. Oh, and they also burn fossil fuels on top of all that. Sounds like a gimmick to me.

Electric motors are pretty sweet, but we don't have the technology to make them practical yet. Having all available torque at 0rpm would be pretty awesome, but I'm willing to wait a few years and skip this hybrid crap.

[quasi86]

Originally Posted by shawnperolis

Got anything to back that up?

Hybrids are ridiculously expensive compared to their non-hybrid counterparts, don't get all that amazing gas mileage (My old 91 CRX got over 50mpg and my 2008 Hyundai Accent got about 40mpg) They add a lot of weight to the cars with batteries and an extra motor. The batteries go bad and must be replaced, the minerals in the batteries are mined out of the earth and are hazardous to the environment. Oh, and they also burn fossil fuels on top of all that. Sounds like a gimmick to me.

Electric motors are pretty sweet, but we don't have the technology to make them practical yet. Having all available torque at 0rpm would be pretty awesome, but I'm willing to wait a few years and skip this hybrid crap.

The prius c and the insight start at about $20k, which is about what you would spend on a Corolla or civic. and a prius starts at $25, what you would spend on a Camry or accord! Wow crazy expensive right! Lets take for example the Camry which is offered in a hybrid. The base model hybrid starts at $27k, about $3k higher than the regular 4cyl. With the hybrid getting an average of 40 mpg and the regular 4cyl average of 28 mpg. With the savings in gas alone the extra cost would be absorbed with average driving within 4 years. If you drive 20-30k miles a year it will pay for itself in half that time!

The nickel metal hydride batteries in the prius are extremely reliable and long lasting. Many out last the cars they are originally put in. Many more last well past 200k miles. Any part on a car that could last that long would be considered tremendous! Toyota also has a recycling program in place for all of the batteries so they are disposed of properly and do not, DO NOT end up in land fills or junk yards. Toyota also purchased Panasonic's battery division and with no need to pay markup the batteries cost less than $2800. That's less than most transmission rebuilds our replacements and how long does a transmission last.

Your CRZ may have gotten close to that but it's emissions I promise were much different than the current hybrid and vehicles in general really. Emission restrictions actually degrade efficiency, plus safety requirements make these modern cars way heavier than your CRZ. And your accent may have gotten 40 straight highway but no way you averaged 40. The prius average is 50!

Yes hybrid burn fossil fuel bit at a much lesser rate. Toyota released a study that showed of everyone in the US drive a prius, the US would cut it's dependence on foreign oil by 70%! Wow what a gimmick!

Last but certainly not least the prius has proven more reliable than 90% of vehicles made. And had been rated the most reliable by JD power and associates 5 years in a row. With 35% fewer problems than the average car. Plus this car has no alternator, distributor, starter motor or power steering pump. Fewer parts, fewer belts, less up keep and less problems.

It's been around for ten years and Toyota has sold over 4 million hybrids world wide. This ain't no flash in the pan operation. As good as the FR-S is it will never sell 4 million units and it will never have the impact that Prius had had on the auto industry.



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[quasi86]

Does that back it up enough for ya?

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[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by Wes

No! taking the sport away from the car! Why not just buy Prius.. Whats next? GT86 diesel?

If Subaru put this EE engine... sure I'll take that GT86 diesel
147Hp w 258TQ

[shawnperolis]

Originally Posted by quasi86

The prius c and the insight start at about $20k, which is about what you would spend on a Corolla or civic. and a prius starts at $25, what you would spend on a Camry or accord! Wow crazy expensive right! Lets take for example the Camry which is offered in a hybrid. The base model hybrid starts at $27k, about $3k higher than the regular 4cyl. With the hybrid getting an average of 40 mpg and the regular 4cyl average of 28 mpg. With the savings in gas alone the extra cost would be absorbed with average driving within 4 years. If you drive 20-30k miles a year it will pay for itself in half that time!

Yeah, and cars that get 35-40mpg without the hybrid system cost between 14k and 16k (such as the Accent, Fiesta, and Honda Fit) and still don't need to mine for other resources. The average number of miles an American drives per year is 15k miles, so if they would have bought one of the cheaper options it would be much cheaper than Prius for quite awhile.

Originally Posted by quasi86

The nickel metal hydride batteries in the prius are extremely reliable and long lasting. Many out last the cars they are originally put in. Many more last well past 200k miles. Any part on a car that could last that long would be considered tremendous! Toyota also has a recycling program in place for all of the batteries so they are disposed of properly and do not, DO NOT end up in land fills or junk yards. Toyota also purchased Panasonic's battery division and with no need to pay markup the batteries cost less than $2800. That's less than most transmission rebuilds our replacements and how long does a transmission last.

Doesn't change the fact that we are still mining for resources on top of burning fossil fuels. Just because they aren't junked doesn't mean they are good for the environment to create. On most Japanese cars I've owned the transmissions last well over 200k miles. My CRX had 235k on on it and the trans was strong as hell when I sold it.

http://www.impactlab.net/2007/03/14/...mental-damage/

Originally Posted by quasi86

Your CRZ may have gotten close to that but it's emissions I promise were much different than the current hybrid and vehicles in general really. Emission restrictions actually degrade efficiency, plus safety requirements make these modern cars way heavier than your CRZ. And your accent may have gotten 40 straight highway but no way you averaged 40. The prius average is 50!

I live in a state that has E-Check, so my CRX emissions had to pass state guidelines, so it wasn't doing too bad. I averaged about 33mpg in the Accent, but I was doing mostly highway anyways. Besides, there are numerous reports that the Prius doesn't get nearly the 50mpg average that they claim. And as those batteries get older, the gas mileage will go down until you replace them.

http://www.earthsfriends.com/toyota-...ld-mpg-numbers

http://www.businessweek.com/articles...plain-old-cars

Originally Posted by quasi86

Yes hybrid burn fossil fuel bit at a much lesser rate. Toyota released a study that showed of everyone in the US drive a prius, the US would cut it's dependence on foreign oil by 70%! Wow what a gimmick!

Wow! The company selling the product did a study saying this happened! Nobody ever uses manipulated statistics to push products!

Originally Posted by quasi86

Last but certainly not least the prius has proven more reliable than 90% of vehicles made. And had been rated the most reliable by JD power and associates 5 years in a row. With 35% fewer problems than the average car. Plus this car has no alternator, distributor, starter motor or power steering pump. Fewer parts, fewer belts, less up keep and less problems.

We all know Toyota makes reliable cars, I don't think that was ever an issue.

Originally Posted by quasi86

It's been around for ten years and Toyota has sold over 4 million hybrids world wide. This ain't no flash in the pan operation. As good as the FR-S is it will never sell 4 million units and it will never have the impact that Prius had had on the auto industry.

Yeah, it sold really great. Still doesn't prove anything.

Originally Posted by quasi86

Does that back it up enough for ya?

Sure, if you are going to call someone out you'd best explain your reasoning. :happy0180:

I still stand by what I said. I can't wait for cars to become fully electric, but this hybrid nonsense isn't all that great.

[FRiSson]

Bump displacement up to 2.5 and lengthen the stroke a bit.

[quasi86]

So I backed my statement with facts and real world numbers and applications and then you just rebut with your opinion. Great discussion man. Spouting how bad for the environment batteries are we should prolly just get rid of everything with a battery. I mean if they are so terrible and horribly detrimental to the environment we should ditch the batteries completely. Good bye cell phones, digital cameras and laptops. These devices contribute tons of more waste than a prius could.

Toyota spends more money on research than any other company in the world. They don't need to fabricate statistics.

Toyota is also recognized as one of the "greenest" companies in the world. The plant in which the prius is built produces almost zero waste, half the power it uses comes from solar, and water is also recycled.

The air coming out of a prius tailpipe is cleaner than the air going in.

If you think that hybrid technology is expensive and a waste, just wait till you see what it will cost to produce, manufacture and retail a hydrogen fuel cell vehicle!

Don't forget full electric vehicles that you plug into the wall are getting that electricity from somewhere. Most of the US is coal powered. In these states a full electric vehicle or even a vehicle like the volt, your carbon footprint is larger than if you drove a prius that burns gas and self generates electricity. Hence you would contribute to more greenhouse gases being released into the atmosphere, and without burning an ounce of gas in your car. Weird huh? :confused:

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