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[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by shawnperolis

haha thanks man. I'm really not an ass, I just say some stupid shit sometimes.

Originally Posted by Porsche

Heh. Don't we all?

I once thought I owned the patent on that, but found out it goes back so far its in public domain....

[MVJ1975]

Originally Posted by Porsche

I encourage others to get a manual gearbox, too. But, if it's just not the right solution for them, I certainly wouldn't want them to miss out on all the REST of the fun, you know? I encouraged folks to get an automatic Miata if they weren't up to the prospect of learning a manual. Different strokes and all that, right?

You're a nice young man, Shawn, and you're learning to be Value Added around here, and that's a good thing.

Exactly. The car is still a blast to drive even with the AT. A manual transmission won't save a bad car or make a boring car fun. If you'd rather drive a manual Nissan Versa over an AT FR-S just because "it's a manual" I'd recommend laying off the peyote.

[Soslow]

Why don't the people who are incapable of buy their sports car's with a proper transmission leave shawnperwhatever alone? I'm the one who called all of you (excused for the disabled) a bunch of incapable mancies, not him.

And your pissy replies didn't change my opinion even a little. Make whatever excuse you want about your abomination but the reason you feel the need to defend it is because deep down, you know you done goofed.

FYI if you live in Central PA and want to learn how to drive a stick shift PM me, I'd be more than happy to teach someone who wants to learn.

EDIT: Also:

Originally Posted by MVJ1975

Exactly. The car is still a blast to drive even with the AT. A manual transmission won't save a bad car or make a boring car fun. If you'd rather drive a manual Nissan Versa over an AT FR-S just because "it's a manual" I'd recommend laying off the peyote.

You're wrong, a manual can do loads to save an otherwise awful car. It won't make it a good one but it might make it tolerable, certainly better than a terrible car with an auto.

[switchlanez]

Originally Posted by Soslow

Why don't the people who are incapable of buy their sports car's with a proper transmission leave shawnperwhatever alone? I'm the one who called all of you (excused for the disabled) a bunch of incapable mancies, not him.

And your pissy replies didn't change my opinion even a little. Make whatever excuse you want about your abomination but the reason you feel the need to defend it is because deep down, you know you done goofed.

FYI if you live in Central PA and want to learn how to drive a stick shift PM me, I'd be more than happy to teach someone who wants to learn.

EDIT: Also:


You're wrong, a manual can do loads to save an otherwise awful car. It won't make it a good one but it might make it tolerable, certainly better than a terrible car with an auto.

WOW lol. Man I have friends/family/coworkers from various Asian nations who grew up learning on manuals because that's all that was ever available to them. After they moved to the US, they switched to autos (some, even sports cars). They made a conscious decision for auto because it is obviously better (to them). Manual is always better than auto in my mind and I will never understand them but that's ok. Because my mind =/= their mind. I've voiced my opinion to them and even encouraged family members to switch to manual. It's ok to suggest manuals over autos and explain why. But when you insist your way is right and their's wrong, that's utter disrespect. Encroaching on another's prerogative/shoving your gospel down their throat is a bit maniacal. Or maybe I'm missing your sarcasm (you do sound a bit like a maniac lol).

[Accurate Race Shop]

Originally Posted by Splat

I remember the time when I was like "oooh another FRS" now I am, oh sh@@ another FRS. I feel like the cool factor is going away. Everywhere I turn I see an FRS. Today, I picked up a import tuner mag....tons of FRS.. and a few ads geared to just frs/brz... I get a newspaper from parking garage.. FRS on front page.Convertable..... I go to Dallas , Lovefield airport a black FRS pulling out.
FRS's everywhere...and that is just today!
So, whats big deal, Everyother car I have had , many others also have, so why does it bother me with the FRS? It was special, to me, new , only few sold in my area, never saw one until the dealership, and it was that way for a long time after it left with me. I guess I just need to make mine, mine ...however most mods I might do are mass marketed, so nothing really special. Any of you who got your cars early feel same way?

There is definitely stuff you can do to make yours different. Like vinyl, rims, lights. Little things that added up make yours unique. I see a boat load of these cars at least 2 a day and our group in AZ has 45 members just on this form. I enjoy seeing other ones and the cool ideas they have to make their car different from all the rest.

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[Soslow]

Originally Posted by russv

WRONG! Did you read any of the above posts? Can you read? Can you think...at all? Your lack of intellectual depth is mind boggling and your comments are unworthy of this website. Your inability to communicate without the use of obscenities is a prime indicator of your poor cognitive skills. Move on.

Can you read? I'm sorry that a fairly common phrase for having some grit offends you. Perhaps you should read about all the health benefits that cursing provides. But hey, who cares about being informed?

Enjoy you're crippled car. Enjoy being slower, more expensive, less reliable, less versatile, heavier, and more boring. Because that's the fun part of owning a fun car, you know, seeing how unfun you can make it; bonus points for paying more to do so.

You know what I did when my g/f couldn't drive my car? I taught her how. I know guys who would prefer a manual but their wives force them to drive an automatic because they refuse to learn to drive a stick, despite the fact that they never use their husbands car, and the husbands don't have the balls to press the issue. It's pathetic and sad.

Being unwilling to learn to drive a manual shows a lack of love for learning, not higher cognitive function. If you do know how to drive a manual and still chose an automatic in your small sports car than maybe you should choose something more in line with what you really want, because a small fun sports car isn't it. Or perhaps you just need a computer to do the thinking for you, I know 6 forward gears can be pretty complicated to sort out all by yourself. You're definitely too smart to waste precious cognitive ability on shifting.

p.s. After you've been swapping the cogs around yourself for a bit it really becomes "automatic." Modern clutches are very light/easy as are the shifters, the twins are no exception. Do yourself a favor and buy a cheap POS with a stick, learn it and live with it for 3-6 months. You might just be surprised how easy it really is. Driving is an amazing mechanical process that never ceases to entertain me, the fact that I can get in my car and less the 24 hours later be halfway across the country is just truly incredible! How much more spoiled do you need to be?

[Soslow]

Originally Posted by switchlanez

So I guess it wasn't sarcasm. You're quite a piece of work. I like that you drive an SX4 but that's about it. Tell me, what say you about the new 911? All the new Lambos and Ferraris? LFA? GT-R? IS-F? Zondas? The list goes on forever. How about the Volt, Leaf, and Prius? Some circles can validly argue that any pure petrol car (ANY manual) is killing our world and children. In that respect, manual drivers are the scum of this earth and the only way to be among the elites is to drive a type of automatic only car. Are all those manufacturers and pioneers in the wrong because you're right?

Fact: I won't be around when the world ends.
Fact: Hybrids/Electrics do more damage to the environment than a Suburban.
Fact: You can have a hybrid and a manual
Fact: We are not discussing 100k+ supercars.

There are very good reason why those cars have the gearboxes they do, and those gearboxes have exactly NOTHING in common with the auto in a Toyabaru outside of the fact that they're both transmissions. As an ME student and general enthusiast of all things mechanical I can appreciate the quest for ultimate efficiency. Efficiency however is not one dimensional; it has to be measured from the very beginning of the products life all the way to the end. Not just from the dealers lot to the first 75,000 miles.

Also: I don't know what elite you'd like to be associated with but million dollar exotics don't exist because people with money don't buy them. Life is not a passionless mental exercise or a cold calculation. Because if it was then none of us should be buying a BRZ/FR-S.

[switchlanez]

Originally Posted by Soslow

Fact: I won't be around when the world ends.
Fact: Hybrids/Electrics do more damage to the environment than a Suburban.
Fact: You can have a hybrid and a manual
Fact: We are not discussing 100k+ supercars.

There are very good reason why those cars have the gearboxes they do, and those gearboxes have exactly NOTHING in common with the auto in a Toyabaru outside of the fact that they're both transmissions. As an ME student and general enthusiast of all things mechanical I can appreciate the quest for ultimate efficiency. Efficiency however is not one dimensional; it has to be measured from the very beginning of the products life all the way to the end. Not just from the dealers lot to the first 75,000 miles.

Also: I don't know what elite you'd like to be associated with but million dollar exotics don't exist because people with money don't buy them. Life is not a passionless mental exercise or a cold calculation. Because if it was then none of us should be buying a BRZ/FR-S.

Your cynicism isn't a quality deemed "right" for this world which you seem to care about maniacally when it comes to "correcting" people to manuals. Not everyone can afford multiple cars. Environmental studies/long term projections by Toyota (I questioned the validity when I worked there) dispute your "fact" about the Suburban but that's getting OT.

So you're saying people should not live passionless, calculative lives and only manual drivers shall be capable of living that passion. What about the modern day Thomas Edisons or Michael Faradays who are pursuing innovations for the greater good? What if only an electric powered vehicle in their day-to-day can immerse them in their passion? A manual would only impede on their passion.

We're discussing transmissions, right? Well, supercars have transmissions. 100% fair game for discussion. Oh wait, are we discussing this only in your bubble of a world? If so, then I'll let you contine thinking you're right in your little fantasyland.

You know that BRZ you want? It was funded by a company that's spearheading hybrids and thereby maintaining relevance in the auto industry. The FT86 spunoff from the FT-HS hybrid concept.

If we took away automatic hybrids then BRZ passion go bye bye!


Props on contradicting yourself left and right.

[Soslow]

Originally Posted by switchlanez

Your cynicism isn't a quality deemed "right" for this world which you seem to care about maniacally when it comes to "correcting" people to manuals. Not everyone can afford multiple cars. Environmental studies/long term projections by Toyota (I questioned the validity when I worked there) dispute your "fact" about the Suburban but that's getting OT.

So you're saying people should not live passionless, calculative lives and only manual drivers shall be capable of living that passion. What about the modern day Thomas Edisons or Michael Faradays who are pursuing innovations for the greater good? What if only an electric powered vehicle in their day-to-day can immerse them in their passion? A manual would only impede on their passion.

We're discussing transmissions, right? Well, supercars have transmissions. 100% fair game for discussion. Oh wait, are we discussing this only in your bubble of a world? If so, then I'll let you contine thinking you're right in your little fantasyland.

You know that BRZ you want? It was funded by a company that's spearheading hybrids and thereby maintaining relevance in the auto industry. The FT86 spunoff from the FT-HS hybrid concept.

If we took away automatic hybrids then BRZ passion go bye bye!


Props on contradicting yourself left and right.

Something tells me you read what I wrote but didn't comprehend it. Congratulations. I'm a bit too tired to try and construct something entirely coherent at this hour, but thanks for the laughs. Reread my posts. There's tons of valid reasons, ranging from reliability, potential safety, weight and price benefits to driving a manual. If you're willfully ignorant to an obviously superior choice because it involves some extra, albeit minimal, and usually enjoyable effort on your part, I don't really know what to say that your poor decision making doesn't already say.

Also: lol at contuining to reference the Prius. Why in the hell would I care about prius's? I would never own one. Of course Toyota's studies say that it's a smart buy with no negative environmental impact. However tons of independent studies suggest that by the time you factor in the environment destroying process of making the batteries couple with the fact that the batteries have to be replaced relatively frequently and holy shit their worse for the environment than a small petrol car would be. Hybrids are hardly leading the way in innovation or the future.

Oh and if all opinions are valid then that means mine is just as valid as yours.
BTW: I'm not making laws here, and even if I could I do believe in freedom of choice. I also believe in education and encouraging positive change however. I believe their are very valid and good reasons to make BEING ABLE TO drive a manual a requirement of a license. How can you say (or can the government testify) you're qualified to drive when you can't actually drive a commonly available STANDARD feature on many cars? It's really really simple. I think we'd see a lot more manuals sold in this country if people knew how to operate them. It's entirely reasonable to say that if you don't know how to shift gears then you don't how to drive, driving being defined as, at a minimum being able to operate a commonly available motor vehicle.

But please continue to encourage this nations growing lack of self-efficacy. Progress and all.

p.s. your "kill" thing is laughably pathetic. I hope you find something else to give meaning to your life soon.

[Soslow]

Holy hell, any conversation in here is about 3 times more intelligent than what I just read in the insurance thread... :eek:

Cool news, my insurance with 2012 Ford focus 5 door, 2000 Nissan Xterra, and 2014 BRZ will be a whopping $2 more every 6 months than what we pay now for the Ford and Suzuki.

Goodnight chaps, big day tomorrow, hopefully canning the Suzuki for the aforementioned XTerra.

[Dadhawk]

Wow, just wow. OK @Soslow , we can agree on two things, you have a strong opinion and both of us knows the other one is wrong.

Originally Posted by Soslow

....There's tons of valid reasons, ranging from reliability, potential safety, weight and price benefits to driving a manual. If you're willfully ignorant to an obviously superior choice because it involves some extra, albeit minimal, and usually enjoyable effort on your part, I don't really know what to say that your poor decision making doesn't already say......

Like my tolerance for people with differing opinions than mine differs from yours, so does my experience with AT vs MT.

I tend to hang on to cars until they are beyond practical repair. Every MT I've ever owned has needed some major repair service in the first 100K miles, yet I have had every AT I've ever owned make it to over 100K miles (and two were approaching 300K miles) with no issues.

Time will tell which is more reliable in the long haul in the 86.

[Soslow]

Originally Posted by Wayne

WOW! That striking display of open-minded social interaction, meticulous reading comprehension and erudite, articulate literary composition had a real effect on me. It may only be a knee-jerk first impression, but I have a hunch that there's a bridge somewhere in central Pennsylvania with a gross, dull-witted, ugly green-skinned creature living beneath it.

But let me make sure I understand this: most of us own and/or drive enclosed coupes with computers controlling their engines, steering and brakes. They have ABS, TC, VSC, TPMS, air conditioning, power windows, remote door locks and decklids, more airbags than passengers, and nerdy audio systems with a cell phone interface and HD radio. Yet one of those owners is fervently demeaning the convenience of an automatic transmission? FWIW, I think you can still get a pretty good deal on a fairly clean Datsun 240Z or MGB GT. Of course, rather than wimping out for one of those metal-roofed mugglemobiles, a real hard-ass wouldn't settle for anything less than the optimal environmental awareness and demanding direct driver involvement of at least an ex-SCCA Triumph TR4A roadster. Knock off wire wheels... oh yeah... and who the HELL needs or wants roll-up windows, anyway?

Now where did we leave those short-brimmed wool caps, wrap-around RayBans, white silk scarves and kangaroo skin driving gloves?

The only reason an automatic is "convenient" is so you can do something other than drive while driving. Something you can't say about the other technologies.

P.S. I would love a Caterham and would gladly DD one in the summer if I had the coin. I also would love a 240Z. However my needs demand modern reliability, not too mention I think the BRZ will be the next 240Z in 20-30 years from now. Or it'll become the next miata. Either way I love it and I'm buying one now that they've got the little bugs sorted.

[[|=(86)=|]]

Originally Posted by Soslow

P.S. I would love a Caterham and would gladly DD one in the summer if I had the coin. I also would love a 240Z. However my needs demand modern reliability, not too mention I think the BRZ will be the next 240Z in 20-30 years from now. Or it'll become the next miata. Either way I love it and I'm buying one now that they've got the little bugs sorted.

Wow~ you tell AT owners to suck it up in shitty traffic, but your "needs" demand modern reliability?

Suck it up and go buy 240Z or other older MT cars.

[ichitaka05]

Alright, keep it down & I won't warn you again!! My patience is at the limit.

Again, NO RACIST COMMENT!

If you like to push your luck, I won't stop you.