The Occupy Movement

[KaliKev]

With no signs of this slowing down, and it moving more towards an overthrow the government feeling. I wonder what the future holds?

The US government is nothing but a bunch of corporate paid puppets ruining this country.

So I ask, how shall this go down? This will continue for months, possibly turning violent once a few protesters are killed and turning into a people vs. government thing?

Is this really the start of a new US revolution? Is this what "2012" is really about? The timeline is ironically relevant.

Once the gun loving "tea party" realizes the occupy movement stands for the same values, which is starting to happen, things will grow exponentially IMO.

I don't know about you, but to me, this is extremely exciting.

[Neutral_Eyes]

Haven't been following. Seemed like a bunch of whiny hippies. What's going on?

[Marrk]

Yes, exciting.

I think there is a good chance that it could remain nonviolent. The forces of authority speak the language of violence, and they like to settle things with violence, but these guys have something else on their minds. And their non-hierarchical, shape-shifting tactics make a "crackdown" all the harder. Dare I say it? The Occupy movement has learned a few things about decentralized assaults on establishment institutions from the boys over at Al Qaeda. But that is the only similarity I care to point out.

These are terrible times we live in. You'd have to be a zombie not to see how people are suffering. We may discover that Occupy is not a fringe movement, but a mainstream movement. I heard (on the radio) that one of the people they arrested (Portland? Oakland?) was a former police captain. You can't get less "radical fringe" than that.

:happy0180:

[KaliKev]

Originally Posted by Neutral_Eyes

Haven't been following. Seemed like a bunch of whiny hippies. What's going on?

The media is not showing the truth. They make them seem like hippies, instead of informed, educated citizens.

It's not a bunch of hippies, but rather informed people sick of having to work 60+ hours a week to make ends meat.

The nations true colors are showing, and it seems the constitution no longer holds weight.

[KaliKev]

Originally Posted by Marrk

Yes, exciting.

I think there is a good chance that it could remain nonviolent. The forces of authority speak the language of violence, and they like to settle things with violence, but these guys have something else on their minds. And their non-hierarchical, shape-shifting tactics make a "crackdown" all the harder. Dare I say it? The Occupy movement has learned a few things about decentralized assaults on establishment institutions from the boys over at Al Qaeda. But that is the only similarity I care to point out.

These are terrible times we live in. You'd have to be a zombie not to see how people are suffering. We may discover that Occupy is not a fringe movement, but a mainstream movement. I heard (on the radio) that one of the people they arrested (Portland? Oakland?) was a former police captain. You can't get less "radical fringe" than that.

:happy0180:

They arrested a former Phili police chief in New York for protesting.

[Marrk]

^^Ah. Thanks for the clarification.

In one of these places, one of the police chiefs in charge quite sanely took the position that the police are not going to use violence on the protesters. He said that as long as they are cool, we'll be cool. I haven't heard a police honcho talk like that in, um, my entire life.

[KaliKev]

This is the country we live in

[Marrk]

^^Yeah. I saw that on the news. Insane. That cop needs to be a) fired and b) brought up on charges.

Regrettably, we see all too much of this kind of thing. At least, in Cali we do. The very low level of cop training and cop culture is part of the problem.

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Originally Posted by KaliKev

This is the country we live in

Damn, I didn't know it was this bad. I haven't been down to manhatten in a while, but I see it on the news often down here in NYC.

[KaliKev]

Originally Posted by Marrk

^^Yeah. I saw that on the news. Insane. That cop needs to be a) fired and b) brought up on charges.

Regrettably, we see all too much of this kind of thing. At least, in Cali we do. The very low level of cop training and cop culture is part of the problem.

Its the whole Stanford Experiment thing. They are in riot gear, and feel as if they have to be opposed and fight the protesters.

Things will change once they receive a few bounced checks, or start to think for themselves and realize these protests are fighting for what they want too.

What I fear, is what will come if this movement fails. That is very scary.

[serialk11r]

You mention that this can lead to "overthrow the government" sentiment, but seem to have a high opinion of these people. To me it looks like most of them are relatively uninformed; What are they doing protesting Wall Street when the culprit is the government and powerful corporization/union lobbyists? In addition, I've seen a lot of people who seem to be confused about the "1%" rhetoric thrown around. The top 1% wealthiest don't represent the majority of the corrupt at all. Their sentiments aren't totally unjustified, but they are directing their anger at the wrong people.

But I agree, a lot of stuff needs to be done. Perhaps we will see a government collapse of some sort on some scale.

[fatoni]

i still dont know what they are protesting or rebelling against

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by KaliKev

The media is not showing the truth. They make them seem like hippies, instead of informed, educated citizens.

It's not a bunch of hippies, but rather informed people sick of having to work 60+ hours a week to make ends meat.

The nations true colors are showing, and it seems the constitution no longer holds weight.

All of the people I know of that personally have gone to an Occupy event have all been crazy liberal hippie idiots. I haven't read one bit of the media coverage on them.

[Neutral_Eyes]

Originally Posted by KaliKev

It's not a bunch of hippies, but rather informed people sick of having to work 60+ hours a week to make ends meat.

I really don't think many of these protesters are working 60+ hours a week, then spending their off time occupying places. And if they're having such a hard time making ends meet, shouldn't they be looking for another job? I work an easy 40 and have better things to do with my time than get pepper sprayed and billy clubbed.