FR-S / FT-86 test in blick.ch (with new pics)

[old greg]

Originally Posted by tripjammer

For 250HP it would have to be a bigger engine..like a 2.2 liter or a 2.5 liter boxer engine...or a turbo for sure.

That would likely be the case, but it's not necessarily true. Honda squeezed 240 hp out of the F20C, so it's not beyond belief that a 2.0L production engine could hit 250 hp with direct injection and higher compression.

An FA25 would be the likeliest candidate imo, and it wouldn't change the weight distribution/handling either.

[Leeky]

So according to this magazine its going to be the New Celica?

[ydooby]

Originally Posted by old greg

That would likely be the case, but it's not necessarily true. Honda squeezed 240 hp out of the F20C, so it's not beyond belief that a 2.0L production engine could hit 250 hp with direct injection and higher compression.

An FA25 would be the likeliest candidate imo, and it wouldn't change the weight distribution/handling either.

That's what I'm hoping too. 250ps is meaningless to me if it means screwed weight distribution and a less than instantaneous engine response. If the 458 Italia can get 570ps out of a 4.5L V8 (that's more than 126ps/L), getting 125ps/L out of a 4-cylinlder in a production car should be entirely possible if not easier. The biggest problem then will be the cost, as the FT-86 is priced less than 1/10th of a 458 Italia. On the other hand, the 458 Italia has a compression ratio of 12.5:1, the same as the 200ps FT-86, so it may prove to be a daunting task to go any higher after all.

[Guff]

Great find! Looks awesome!

[Sully]

Or they aren't using the 12.5 to it's full potential.

Remember that yamaha was also consulted on the engine, and their motorcycles do pretty well in the hp/L department.

(granted, they rev twice as high as cars)

[Dark]

Originally Posted by ydooby

That's what I'm hoping too. 250ps is meaningless to me if it means screwed weight distribution and a less than instantaneous engine response. If the 458 Italia can get 570ps out of a 4.5L V8 (that's more than 126ps/L), getting 125ps/L out of a 4-cylinlder in a production car should be entirely possible and easier. The biggest problem then will be the cost, as the FT-86 is priced less than 1/10th of a 458 Italia. On the other hand, the 458 Italia has a compression ratio of 12.5:1, the same as the 200ps FT-86, so it may prove to be a daunting task to go any higher after all.

Fixed. I have never seen a Toyota caught in fire, but Ferrari.

[tripjammer]

Originally Posted by Ikaros

I don't think Toyota is going to come out with a totally new engine in the second year of production. As stated above doing so would probably mean a bigger engine and would mean that the weight distribution would be way off. That means they would just throw their years of testing and design out the window. Maybe when they come out with a new generation they would put a new engine inside. Well to be honest it might be a possibility that Toyota or Subaru could have figured some way to mod the engine so it can house a turbo kit, but that would still mess with the weight distribution. From the sound of some of these reviews that have been leaked they made it sound like the weight distribution was very important.

As for the convertible version, I don't think they are going to actually make that unless there is a huge demand for it, and I personally don't think there will be. Although the chassis allows the FT-86 to be a convertible, adding all those parts will mess with the weight ratio. But more importantly having a soft top will mess with the drag coefficient and aerodynamics. I mean out of all the leaks we have seen so far have you guys even heard of the possibility of a sunroof? Plus in one of the leaks they even said they special designed the roof to regulate airflow and be lightweight.

This reporter seems to have a lot of ideas of his own.

The 370Z does not have a sunroof, but there is a roadster version. If they designed the FT-86 as a coupe and a convertible...they will release the convertible version too at a later date. If you think about it, Scion\Toyota\Subaru needs a convertible.

Me I am going for the coupe, first model year, and if a 250HP version comes out in 2 to 3 years, I will trade up.

[Dark]

Originally Posted by Sully

Or they aren't using the 12.5 to it's full potential.

Remember that yamaha was also consulted on the engine, and their motorcycles do pretty well in the hp/L department.

(granted, they rev twice as high as cars)

Most bike output insane power because of its weight. new ZX10R output more than 200hp with EUDM ECU and modified air duct?? and that's a freaking 1.0L inline4 engine.

[MiguelAE86]

1) Those seats
2) Anyone know about how tall Tada-San is? That seating position looks AMAZING! And i'd love to know if i'll be looking higher than he is over that steering wheel. Hell, that'll put all of my ridiculous friends who ride with their seats practically LAYING DOWN and then standing up straight with not backrest, like seriously? that's probably one of the stupidest and reckless thing i've seen my friends do (decreased safety upon a crash, looking like a total douche, etc.) /rant.

Anyway, that interior is perfect!

[tripjammer]

Originally Posted by MiguelAE86

1) Those seats
2) Anyone know about how tall Tada-San is? That seating position looks AMAZING! And i'd love to know if i'll be looking higher than he is over that steering wheel. Hell, that'll put all of my ridiculous friends who ride with their seats practically LAYING DOWN and then standing up straight with not backrest, like seriously? that's probably one of the stupidest and reckless thing i've seen my friends do (decreased safety upon a crash, looking like a total douche, etc.) /rant.

Anyway, that interior is perfect!

I agree, I love the interior of this car.

[MiguelAE86]

Originally Posted by tripjammer

I agree, I love the interior of this car.

But also, i REALLY hope the car's base is at MOST $23k at MOST. But if that's not the case, i'll wait 6-months and buy it used. *crossed-fingers*

[Slide]

Originally Posted by ForReal-Someday

That seems a tad expensive.

lol that is what it will cost in Australia too :s

[yarik83]

Exactly what are they implying when they say roadster? I thought roadster vehicles are 2 seater convertible things?! Would that imply they are considering a FRS-Supra of FRS-MR2? Toyota does not have many roadster cars... well come to think of it.. between the MR2 and the Supra I cant think of any recent ones?!

[LeeT]

I certainly hope there is enough room to fit my 6'3", 230 lb body in there!