Must be getting old

[rhoyle]

Originally Posted by TeamZleep

Ever owned a German car? If you did, you'd understand.

The answer to this question is pretty clear....

[jmaryt]

Originally Posted by jlu

Originally Posted by TeamZleep

Ever owned a German car? If you did, you'd understand.

yes! two 924s and one 944! i got f**ked! never again!
nothin' really spectacular about 'em,and the japanese at that time(80's) had already matched the handling for a LOT less money!

[jmaryt]

Originally Posted by norsamerican

I think u missed my point. I was defending the frs/brz

yes i am aware ! it wasn't my intention to belittle you ,just wanted to make that statement! no "slam" intended!

[zoomzoomers]

You live enough and you're treated to a day where someone whines about a whiner and lights a fire storm. Today looks like one of them days...

[jmaryt]

Originally Posted by norsamerican

I think u missed my point. I was defending the frs/brz

Originally Posted by norsamerican

Your answer is as good as mine. although my Audi has never disappointed

never saw anything in ''audi" although they did bring a nice quattro to market back in '84. all wheel drive.have to laugh,because the thing was "still" 35 large out the gate! lot of scratch in '84 (hot damn!)

[Ingen]

Originally Posted by ottopilot

I agree this is the whiniest (sp?) forums I've been on in over 10 years. The new generation expect flawless cars apparently. There's a bunch of threads showing off single rock chips!

I agree completely. I came from a bench seat, stick shift 06 Tacoma to this car. Don't tell me it needs a short shifter, or that it rides too firm, or that it wallows in corners, or that the seats aren't comfy, or it needs more options, or that you're *ashamed of the scion badges and wanna spend 2000 dollars making it look like a toyota*

That's all ridiculous. Drivers car doesn't mean that it entertains the driver when it's sitting still. IT'S FOR DRIVING.

[TeamZleep]

Originally Posted by jmaryt

yes! two 924s and one 944! i got f**ked! never again!
nothin' really spectacular about 'em,and the japanese at that time(80's) had already matched the handling for a LOT less money!

Well there was your problem. Right there.

Any newer German car you'd be surprised, but as with any forum, or anything in life, people are going to cling to a niche and become narrow minded about things. Corvettes are nice, audi's/vw's are great, and so are Japanese cars. They all have their pros and cons, but hey... meh.

[jmaryt]

Originally Posted by rhoyle

I would buy the Porsche again. I had nearly zero problems with my Cayman and all three dealerships I dealt with were an order of magnitude more professional than the two Subaru dealerships I have dealt with. It's really hard to beat free track day inspections from a certified mechanic who's also a fanatic, but even that aside, my experience with Subaru is much more like herding cattle. Porsche dealers always gave me a free loaner (usually an Audi or Benz SUV) and treated me like an old friend. I always felt like the service managers at Porsche had my back, and they did. One even went to bat for me with corporate to get free replacement TPMS Sensors because they batteries died in just over 3 years.

I always get a chuckle out of the folks who dog on the luxury brands yet have no experience owning them.

again,no refection on you personally,but for the kind of scratch you was throwin' at 'em,that's the LEAST they should do! if it was me,i wouldn't leave for less than ''stock " in porcshe! just sayin'

[jmaryt]

Originally Posted by rhoyle

I would buy the Porsche again. I had nearly zero problems with my Cayman and all three dealerships I dealt with were an order of magnitude more professional than the two Subaru dealerships I have dealt with. It's really hard to beat free track day inspections from a certified mechanic who's also a fanatic, but even that aside, my experience with Subaru is much more like herding cattle. Porsche dealers always gave me a free loaner (usually an Audi or Benz SUV) and treated me like an old friend. I always felt like the service managers at Porsche had my back, and they did. One even went to bat for me with corporate to get free replacement TPMS Sensors because they batteries died in just over 3 years.

I always get a chuckle out of the folks who dog on the luxury brands yet have no experience owning them.

Originally Posted by TeamZleep

Well there was your problem. Right there.

Any newer German car you'd be surprised, but as with any forum, or anything in life, people are going to cling to a niche and become narrow minded about things. Corvettes are nice, audi's/vw's are great, and so are Japanese cars. They all have their pros and cons, but hey... meh.

yup! to each their own! all i can say is i'll never buy german again! too much dough,and no better than anything else. basically that's MY point,but the world would be a pretty dull place if we all drove the same cars.

[Rayme]

Originally Posted by jmaryt

yup! to each their own! all i can say is i'll never buy german again! too much dough,and no better than anything else. basically that's MY point,but the world would be a pretty dull place if we all drove the same cars.

LOL you're on a banter with germans tonight

[jmaryt]

Originally Posted by dem00n

Thats correct, but its still has a point, no?


I'll be waiting for your appropriate well written response in a leather bounded book by my mailbox at 3PM Friday the 22nd!

you got a long wait,cuz he already gave it! he made his point!

[jmaryt]

Originally Posted by dem00n

Thats correct, but its still has a point, no?


I'll be waiting for your appropriate well written response in a leather bounded book by my mailbox at 3PM Friday the 22nd!

Originally Posted by ottopilot

LOL you're on a banter with germans tonight

no! just their cars! i know some german people,and they are the "salt "
of the earth!

[boead]

Originally Posted by rhoyle

Similar performance on paper doesn't mean that the cars feel, act, or drive the same. My point is that driving a Cayman is not like driving a FR-S/BRZ. It's not a similar feeling. If you just want a paper war, then bring in the Vette. It's priced similar to the Cayman yet will blow it away in many metrics. But driving the two is nothing alike.

There are three or four of us who have owned Caymans on here. That doesn't make the FR-S/BRZ a Cayman competitor. Two totally different vehicles.

That's not what many are saying but ill take your word on it as your opinion. But I think your missing the point. No two cars are alike but the end result, the driving experience and the style of the ride is not "worlds apart" seriously. What else can you get that's closer for less than half the price?
You know what I can get for $55k?? A New Stringray which will eat the Porsche all day long in every way.
Ive owned cars and dealt with high end dealerships too. You get what you pay for! Its built in and yeah, im annoyed that I cant get a loaner but my insurance company will pay for a number of rentals and, tada, the Toyota dealership is setup for it! No additional expense to me and I get it overnight!
BTW: Subaru dealerships suck! The GIANT Toyota dealerships by me are great!
This car, for the price, can have all the faults it wants but I bet it doesn't!

I have this very high end mechanic for like 15+ years, hes become a friend. He services my families cars, mostly Mercedes. He's been "the reason" I can own a MB, fixes things better and much cheaper than the dealerships! We've shopped Porsche a number of times, the cars are expensive and demanding when they start to age! Few aren't and some are unaffordable, cost more in maintenance averaged out monthly over time than a new FR-S.
Most get rid of them just before the first wave of tires, breaks and "tune up" that can cost thousands. About $9000 on as new 911 and its just begun. Not an everyday driver for most.
I drive nearly 30k miles a year, not always in the same car but I don't believe in a garage car. I believe cars are meant to be driven!

[boead]

Originally Posted by Ingen

Err, yeah there is.

The Cayman is mid-engined. The engine block is probably used as a structural element, and even if it isn't the reinforced engine cradle is behind the driver and in the vicinity of the hatch. Therefore, it's got more stiffness in the rear and can sacrifice the stiffness of the rear panels to allow for a hatch back.

The FRS has its engine up front, and nothing in the back to stiffen it. With a half dozen giant braces back there then maybe the FRS could be a lift-back as well. But without any excessive bracing in the rear, and without the reinforcement of the engine mounts, it simply isn't stiff enough to allow for the lift back. You could stiffen it, but then it would be heavier, and who the hell wants that?

Moral of the story - Yes, mid engine is better. Also more expensive. The FRS has a tiny trunk opening because it's stiffer that way, and because it doesn't have an engine back there to lean on.

Have you seen, driven an RSX?? The FR-S could easily have been a hatch back, the convertible is on its way!
They obviously wanted to keep the low profile, a hatch would have had to budge up a bit taking away from that look. I get it but... im bitching.
Side, by side the RSX and the FR-S are very close in size, the FR-S being slightly lower profile with shorter windows and less headroom and it doesn't have a hatchback!
Honda tried to replace the RSX with the SI but it didn't work. The model RSX that was being built and was canned in 06 was more like a 2+2 S2000 with a hatchback damit! I wanted that car but what we got was a Civic on steroids.