Perrin oil cooler real world review. Impressions.

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by ATL BRZ

@Racecomp Engineering, did you monitor oil pressure before or after the install of the Perrin OC?
@Dave-ROR, are your pressures okay with the Mocal currently? I haven't checked your related thread recently.

Yes but I'm not sure if its due to the new sensor location or the 5w-30

[tech4pdx]

Originally Posted by JoeBoxer

Not sure why people are so hostile about certain things

Jealousy? Envy? Negativity? A ?

[himbo]

I'm curious to see if there are other locations that this cooler can be set up. Here in Jersey the roads aren't great and it would be nice if there was a place on the car with good airflow while being protected from the elements.

Also, this looks like a good upgrade for this car as high oil temps eat away at power.

[Hanakuso]

Originally Posted by himbo

I'm curious to see if there are other locations that this cooler can be set up. Here in Jersey the roads aren't great and it would be nice if there was a place on the car with good airflow while being protected from the elements.

Also, this looks like a good upgrade for this car as high oil temps eat away at power.

Same here. I would like to get a oil cooler that sits in front of the passenger side wheel. Only premade one I can think of is the HKS oil cooler

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by Hanakuso

Same here. I would like to get a oil cooler that sits in front of the passenger side wheel. Only premade one I can think of is the HKS oil cooler

AFAIK the HKS is a "universal" kit with the specific spacer/oil cooler thermostat.

You couldn't use their mounts but unless it's too wide you should be able to mount it vertically. I can't remember how much space is available over there. If it's in a place without air going past it or you have to run a small cooler and long hose runs I'm not sure there's a ton of benefit... if you put it there run one of the brake duct kits (on the pass side only) and direct air to the cooler on the passenger side. Drivers side would be more ideal from a oil line run length perspective but these cars have absolutely massive windshield washer tanks so all your space is taken up there already

You can get the cooler measurements from Perrin but they'd have to make you custom lines or you'd have to throw these lines away and make new ones.. unless you can figure out how to route them in such a way that they'll reach to the pass wheel well (talking about the perrin kit specifically).

Unless I'm wrong on the HKS one, it's basically a box of parts for you to figure out at MASSIVE margins.. I'd go with the Perrin kit any day of the week over that.

[Dave-ROR]

Just looked at some pics of the HKS stuff, you do in fact have to cut the lines yourself, figure out mounting, etc.. I like their thermostat except you need 90s (for pressure drop concerns you want as few bent fittings as possible!) for it but I like that you can get temp and pressure from the oil cooler sandwich adapter if you want. Otherwise, the HKS setup is one of the worst. The Greddy might be as bad, it's got a "funnel" to force air to it though.

For a packaged air-to-oil setup the Perrin does look like the best solution IMO. If you want something like the HKS make it yourself (you will be doing so with the HKS anyways, just paying double for the name).

[Hanakuso]

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

AFAIK the HKS is a "universal" kit with the specific spacer/oil cooler thermostat.

You couldn't use their mounts but unless it's too wide you should be able to mount it vertically. I can't remember how much space is available over there. If it's in a place without air going past it or you have to run a small cooler and long hose runs I'm not sure there's a ton of benefit... if you put it there run one of the brake duct kits (on the pass side only) and direct air to the cooler on the passenger side. Drivers side would be more ideal from a oil line run length perspective but these cars have absolutely massive windshield washer tanks so all your space is taken up there already

You can get the cooler measurements from Perrin but they'd have to make you custom lines or you'd have to throw these lines away and make new ones.. unless you can figure out how to route them in such a way that they'll reach to the pass wheel well (talking about the perrin kit specifically).

Unless I'm wrong on the HKS one, it's basically a box of parts for you to figure out at MASSIVE margins.. I'd go with the Perrin kit any day of the week over that.

I don't see what makes the HKS kit universal compared to Perrin being dedicated to our car. I also don't really understand how it's the worse out of the 3 when it has the temp/pressure outlets. It's not like the Perrin kit is 100% FRS/BRZ specific for us.

I guess for myself it's going to have to be pieced together myself or going the HKS route, unless Perrin can get me custom lines. This is what I have in mind. I just don't think I can fab up the metal piece in the HKS kit myself.




If you look closely, the shield/metal is venting air to the oil cooler. Cutting out the area where the foglight on the FRS is simple enough like shown in this link, or doing a brake ducting like you said would add even more air.
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=29281

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by Hanakuso

I don't see what makes the HKS kit universal compared to Perrin being dedicated to our car. I also don't really understand how it's the worse out of the 3 when it has the temp/pressure outlets. It's not like the Perrin kit is 100% FRS/BRZ specific for us.

I guess for myself it's going to have to be pieced together myself or going the HKS route, unless Perrin can get me custom lines. This is what I have in mind. I just don't think I can fab up the metal piece in the HKS kit myself.

If you look closely, the shield/metal is venting air to the oil cooler. Cutting out the area where the foglight on the FRS is simple enough like shown in this link, or doing a brake ducting like you said would add even more air.
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=29281

This is what I'm basing it off of:


HKS description says 4M hose, which means you have to cut, route, put the ends on, etc yourself. That means doing it yourself. The Perrin kit comes with the hoses completely assembled, instructions on routing, etc.

That big black plate isn't shown on FT86SF's site so I had no idea it was included nor is it mentioned specifically in the product descriptions I've seen from HKS when it first came out. If they are including that then installing the core itself would be easier. Any non HKS intercooler may make it less friendly of course for running the piping through it You still have to deal with the SS lines, so if you go that route I'd suggest the Koul Tool kit for SS lines, makes installing the hose into the socket a breeze, some hose assembly lube and put the fitting in the socket. Cut the SS line with a cut off wheel until you get to the inner rubbing, blow off line, cut rubber, blow out line (from the other end not where you just cut) to remove debris, etc.

So that's what I mean by universal. Awesome if it includes a mount, it just wasn't visible or mentioned so I wasn't aware of that.

I bet the back of that cooler gets coated in rubber and rocks pretty quickly lol

[Hanakuso]

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

This is what I'm basing it off of:


HKS description says 4M hose, which means you have to cut, route, put the ends on, etc yourself. That means doing it yourself. The Perrin kit comes with the hoses completely assembled, instructions on routing, etc.

That big black plate isn't shown on FT86SF's site so I had no idea it was included nor is it mentioned specifically in the product descriptions I've seen from HKS when it first came out. If they are including that then installing the core itself would be easier. Any non HKS intercooler may make it less friendly of course for running the piping through it You still have to deal with the SS lines, so if you go that route I'd suggest the Koul Tool kit for SS lines, makes installing the hose into the socket a breeze, some hose assembly lube and put the fitting in the socket. Cut the SS line with a cut off wheel until you get to the inner rubbing, blow off line, cut rubber, blow out line (from the other end not where you just cut) to remove debris, etc.

So that's what I mean by universal. Awesome if it includes a mount, it just wasn't visible or mentioned so I wasn't aware of that.

I bet the back of that cooler gets coated in rubber and rocks pretty quickly lol

I believe that picture you posted is the lower spec kit, there is actually two, Type S and Type S Pro. Every vendor i've seen in the states have only been selling the basic "DIY" without the metal air guide. iirc the one that comes with the big air plate should also come with fittings already installed on the lines, ready to go like the Perrin. Not 100% sure about the fitting already installed tho, I guess we'll have to wait till someone in the states get the higher end kit. I guess I just got your terminology wrong, since I know HKS sells universal oil coolers, but we do have 2 model specific coolers for us.

I know HKS gets bashed a lot for being too universal and not specializing on any specific car company. I used to work at HKS, so i've personally seen R&D or at least heard about it. They definitely don't just throw on a bunch of parts in the catalog and hope it works

I guess when it comes down to it, yes you are paying for the name and R&D for both the HKS and Perrin kits. You could put it together yourself for cheaper but at the expense and risk of your own R&D

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by Hanakuso

I believe that picture you posted is the lower spec kit, there is actually two, Type S and Type S Pro. Every vendor i've seen in the states have only been selling the basic "DIY" without the metal air guide. iirc the one that comes with the big air plate should also come with fittings already installed on the lines, ready to go like the Perrin. Not 100% sure about the fitting already installed tho, I guess we'll have to wait till someone in the states get the higher end kit. I guess I just got your terminology wrong, since I know HKS sells universal oil coolers, but we do have 2 model specific coolers for us.

I know HKS gets bashed a lot for being too universal and not specializing on any specific car company. I used to work at HKS, so i've personally seen R&D or at least heard about it. They definitely don't just throw on a bunch of parts in the catalog and hope it works

I guess when it comes down to it, yes you are paying for the name and R&D for both the HKS and Perrin kits. You could put it together yourself for cheaper but at the expense and risk of your own R&D

Wasn't aware there were two kits. What's the top one cost? The low spec is already too expensive. The only issues I have with HKS is that they make the worst air filters on the market and they are overpriced on a lot of parts Other than that they make fine parts.

Not much R&D in a cooler though. The only specific bits of the low spec kit is the spacer. The high spec, the spacer, grill for the wheel well, the mount and cutting the lines for you.

I can fit an intercooler just fine with my setup and I know you can with Perrins also, so is the... 1100? or whatever the high spec will cost really worth it?

Obviously that'll all come down to personal opinions

[Hanakuso]

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

Wasn't aware there were two kits. What's the top one cost? The low spec is already too expensive. The only issues I have with HKS is that they make the worst air filters on the market and they are overpriced on a lot of parts Other than that they make fine parts.

Not much R&D in a cooler though. The only specific bits of the low spec kit is the spacer. The high spec, the spacer, grill for the wheel well, the mount and cutting the lines for you.

I can fit an intercooler just fine with my setup and I know you can with Perrins also, so is the... 1100? or whatever the high spec will cost really worth it?

Obviously that'll all come down to personal opinions

Just looking at msrp and converting it on google, it's $874 but that's inside Japan without tax or considering it getting shipped to US vendors. I think it would be at least $100 more compared to the lower spec kit.

I wasn't thinking much R&D is needed for oil coolers, but I do remember Perrin had the fitting come off on the prototype oil cooler that made a mess for a member on here. Just small things like that is the R&D i'm referring to. I rather have a company like Perrin resolve hiccups instead of myself. Basically I want to know someone with more knowledge with myself put the kit together.

Yeah i've heard of the horror stories about HKS air filters. I actually had the HKS intake for my S2000 and it didn't seem to bad or clumsy. Then again I replaced the filter more often then recommended.

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by Hanakuso

I wasn't thinking much R&D is needed for oil coolers, but I do remember Perrin had the fitting come off on the prototype oil cooler that made a mess for a member on here. Just small things like that is the R&D i'm referring to. I rather have a company like Perrin resolve hiccups instead of myself. Basically I want to know someone with more knowledge with myself put the kit together.

That's why I don't like the socketless stuff.. I'd rather have the good old SS lines with the annoying to install fittings

Perrin took care of the customer though and he was a tester, not a full paying customer

[stockysnail]

The Lotus Elise had two oil coolers back in 2005, then they made it an option in 2006 only coming with one unless you purchased the 'track pack' to go from one to two. Cars that are driven hard and red lined should probably have one. I bought the Perrin but haven't installed it yet.