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Old 02-19-2013, 08:46 AM   #15
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Why would you install an oil cooler in the winter as there would be no way to test any improvements?

Oil coolers are hugely OVER HYPED on this forum.

If the 2014 FRS/BRZ comes factory with an oil cooler then you will have evidence to the fact of needing an oil cooler. News flash.. there will be no such cooler.
Some of us track our cars in the winter. I'm tracking mine two days this weekend.

Oil coolers are great for track cars. Not so much for a street car. I also run an endurance car without a cooler so while I wouldn't say its required its not a bad idea either.

Honda put a l2l oil cooler on 94-95 GS-Rs but then removed them (added back for all ITRs though). Does that mean they weren't ideal or just a cost cutting measure? OEMs focus on cost not what is ideal for the minority of buyers that track their cars.
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Old 02-19-2013, 08:49 AM   #16
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What is the magic number in terms of oil temps you don't want to exceed? 212f? I'm monitoring my oil temps now.
212 is nothing. I'd like to stay around 250-270 on track. Based on experience with other cars these likely see 300 or more on track. On the street an oil cooler is basically pointless IMO. So far with my cooler I haven't gotten past 180 on the street.
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Old 02-19-2013, 09:55 AM   #17
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Several things. No I didnt install it myself. I had one of my techs install it. I spend my time doing other things BUT did want to relay to the community what my initial impressions were with regards to how easy the install can be.

I also make mention of the kit being very "complete" and good for someone without much time on their hands.

I also said that I haven't tracked it and WOULD report back once I did. It is very well documented that these cars loose power once oil temp rises in normal driving let alone track driving. I also do make note that its winter here.

We will have some data/info once its tracked.

Lots of people have noted the small differences in power that they "feel" or dare I say " think they feel" from hard driving this car. I for sure do coming from a car with much more power.

We installed the cooler NOW because our track season starts early next month. I already tracked it last year to know that once it gets hot you're for sure loosing power.

For those who found it useful (pictures and me telling you that its a complete easy to install kit) glad you liked it.

For those who didnt, sorry I wasted your time for a review without data or data logging.

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Old 02-19-2013, 10:12 AM   #18
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Just edited this.

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There wasn't a need for the edit. Don't sweat it Myles. And I always like pictures
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Not sure why people are so hostile about certain things, for a track car you obviously want to be able to keep your oil temps lower and for a forced induction street or track car i think its a no-brainer. If you can spend $5-6k for a turbo/supercharger you have $700 to spend on an oil cooler. If you don't then you shouldn't be adding FI anyways because how are you going to afford to fix it if it breaks?
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Didn't mean anything negative. I'm honestly wondering if there is something wrong with our cars if you can feel a difference on the street from an oil cooler. I'm still mulling over robispecs total solution personally.
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Doesn't look like it's compatible on cars that have intercoolers....
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Doesn't look like it's compatible on cars that have intercoolers....
It sure is: http://s1359.beta.photobucket.com/us...y1989/library/
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Doesn't look like it's compatible on cars that have intercoolers....
I bet you can mount it further back. My cooler is mounted further back since it's a larger cooler and won't even fit under the bumper support without the lines attached, let alone with the lines attached.

Hard to tell for sure if RCE mounted the cooler completely behind the support or not. Anyways, I have room with my setup to mount an IC under the bumper support without touching the cooler.

Now I'm not sure I'd run this type of cooler with an IC, I think I'd just go L2L with a solution like Robispec's then, but I do think you could make it fit just fine especially with the smaller 13 row cooler used here.

Edit: Or mount the cooler up front like the example ATL posted.
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I'm not sure if this oil cooler has a thermostat. If it does you don't need to worry about running too cold. Remember.. even with today's multi-weight oil cold oil is not particularly great for your engine.

Empower yourself with a Scangauge of some sort. The OBDII system in our cars can track oil temps (unfortunately not oil pressure). Buy a Scangauge. Monitor your temps. If they go above 230F+ for the driving you do for the conditions you're in.. then it's time to look into an oil cooler.

This isn't necessarily one of those *bling* items you want to install to look cool at the local car meet...especially if it doesn't have a thermostat.
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Looks like a nice piece. I ought to add it to my mods list.
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I'm not sure if this oil cooler has a thermostat. If it does you don't need to worry about running too cold. Remember.. even with today's multi-weight oil cold oil is not particularly great for your engine.

Empower yourself with a Scangauge of some sort. The OBDII system in our cars can track oil temps (unfortunately not oil pressure). Buy a Scangauge. Monitor your temps. If they go above 230F+ for the driving you do for the conditions you're in.. then it's time to look into an oil cooler.

This isn't necessarily one of those *bling* items you want to install to look cool at the local car meet...especially if it doesn't have a thermostat.
I believe that they use a thermostat but I also believe it's a Mocal so it's partial bypass when cold.
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@Racecomp Engineering, did you monitor oil pressure before or after the install of the Perrin OC?
@Dave-ROR, are your pressures okay with the Mocal currently? I haven't checked your related thread recently.
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