HP Gains per Dollar Intake Chart

[naikaidriver]

Originally Posted by FR-S Matt

Try a new post with third party dynos on all the intakes rather than including any manufacturer dyno. Everyone knows a short ram intake doesn't push 16 whp and when people read this, they're going to jump to an instant conclusion without reading the post like 90% of people do and say, OMG I'M BUYING AN INJEN BECAUSE THIS POST SAYS 16 WHP.

I'd be really surprised to see the Injen outdo the Perrin, Vigilant, and FA20 cold air intakes with that heat under the hood.

I get what you are saying Matt but again, please re-read my post. I never posted 16whp gain anywhere. Drift Office found 12-14whp gain with the Injen so I called it at 13. If you have a problem with Drift Office's dyno testing, take it up with them. Funny how nobody is arguing the 16whp LOSS that Drift Office found with the Air Raid intake.

Personally I am skeptical of any claims that an intake makes more than 8whp but that is what an independent company found and I am not qualified to call BS on them.

I don't have any data for the Vigilant or FA20 CAI's but if you do, I'll be happy to add it.

Scott

NOTE: When I get back to the office tomorrow, I will place links to where I found the HP claims for each product to eliminate confusion.

[Sportsguy83]

Originally Posted by naikaidriver

Guys, seriously, relax.

I didn't try to shoot down what you did and I'm completely relaxed. In fact, I won't even be buying an intake system. My recommendation for a disclaimer is based solely on the fact that as Matt correctly said, 90% of the people read thread title, read gains, doesn't care about a single word on the rest of OP. So, to help those people that don't like to read much and are noobs when it comes to modding the car, I suggested a little help via a big disclaimer that is visible and won't require them to dig into the post.

You would be AMAZED at the number of people that do exactly as I described. They read a number, take it at face value and throw money away like flushing it down the toilet

[naikaidriver]

Originally Posted by Sportsguy83

I didn't try to shoot down what you did and I'm completely relaxed. In fact, I won't even be buying an intake system. My recommendation for a disclaimer is based solely on the fact that as Matt correctly said, 90% of the people read thread title, read gains, doesn't care about a single word on the rest of OP. So, to help those people that don't like to read much and are noobs when it comes to modding the car, I suggested a little help via a big disclaimer that is visible and won't require them to dig into the post.

You would be AMAZED at the number of people that do exactly as I described. They read a number, take it at face value and throw money away like flushing it down the toilet

I don't disagree with anything you said. In fact, I couldn't agree more.

Tomorrow I will make some of the disclaimers a bit bigger but ultimately, nobody can help people that aren't willing to read. It only took me about 45min to compile that info and anyone that really cares about getting the right part for their car wouldn't need someone to "hand it to them". Still, sometimes I get these fleeting feelings of charity. I promise they don't last.

Scott

[Sportsguy83]

Originally Posted by naikaidriver

I don't disagree with anything you said. In fact, I couldn't agree more.

Tomorrow I will make some of the disclaimers a bit bigger but ultimately, nobody can help people that aren't willing to read. It only took me about 45min to compile that info and anyone that really cares about getting the right part for their car wouldn't need someone to "hand it to them". Still, sometimes I get these fleeting feelings of charity. I promise they don't last.

Scott

Very very very true!!

[ChaChas345]

People who bitch about dyno with hood open or closed need to get over them selves.

Someone dyno'd their INJEN intake with their hood closed and it performed a bit less than it with the hood open. People who keep saying shit about real world driving conditions n bs like that need to realize dyno's are just their to gauge if theirs any improvement with the mod or not.

Everytime I always see people bitching about an intake dyno'd with the hood open or closed saying its not realistic need to shut it. Vendors do it to show us the gains and people do it for peace of mind. Hell why even do it in the first place if its not "real world driving conditions" like you want. Either way having the hood open so the heat doesnt soak up is fine to me. When your driving on the freeway it wont be soaking up hot air like it would be if your on a dyno with the hood closed.

I can find 2-3 threads of the intakes in the OP's post that have had dyno's done with the hood closed and open and they both performed similar maybe a little less but honestly who cares. People dyno so they know the product they are buying is performing as advertised. 3rd partys and shops have dyno'd most of these intakes and all have gotten good gains. Maybe not as high as what the companies claim but they are an improvement which is all that matters.

Drift office gave us dyno's and did it again on there test cars which they did not have to do. Those are as close as you will get in terms of information for the intakes unless you do it your self.

[Minovsky]

LMAOOOOO -16!! thts some nice trolling by airraid

[Eightysexy]

Originally Posted by LeeMaster

Want to see Injen intake tested on Third party review with the hood closed. I cannot find it but I think you can help out.

This...seen the other post of the injen intake and gave magnificent gains with the hood closed on a dyno.

[FR-S Matt]

Give me an Injen intake and I'll show you how it performs in 102 degree heat in the summer.

[2forme]

I think it also might be worth noting the safety of the AFR curves for each intake. Sure one can make 10 hp, but if it leans you out to 13.5 and above... it's not really that safe for engine long term.

[2forme]

Originally Posted by Sportsguy83

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?p=520174

I think something was wrong with that dudes car. I mean, he was making 90 ft lbs of torque at redline for the stock pull.... thats 20 less than most cars.

[LeeMaster]

Originally Posted by 2forme

I think it also might be worth noting the safety of the AFR curves for each intake. Sure one can make 10 hp, but if it leans you out to 13.5 and above... it's not really that safe for engine long term.

Wouldnt a tune solve that issue?

[Foobar]

Originally Posted by LeeMaster

Wouldnt a tune solve that issue?

It would, but it would also very likely negate anything the filter did on its own, in that case. A lot of these intakes for the BRZ/FRS get their power by messing with the AFR. If your tune adjusts it anyway, you may very well find that you were better off with just a tune in the first place. Assuming maxing performance/efficiency was your only concern, of course.

[naikaidriver]

Originally Posted by Foobar

It would, but it would also very likely negate anything the filter did on its own, in that case. A lot of these intakes for the BRZ/FRS get their power by messing with the AFR. If your tune adjusts it anyway, you may very well find that you were better off with just a tune in the first place. Assuming maxing performance/efficiency was your only concern, of course.

So you're saying that a tune can negate the benefit of an intake such as the AEM, Injen, Weapon R, HKS then by your logic, it should fix the hp loss for the people that bought the Air Rad.

Seems to me that you and 2forme have uncovered a complete conspiracy in the automotive community! Intakes are a total scam and anyone that puts one out is just trying to get people to hand over their cash by putting out a product that makes cool noises.

We should start getting the word out immediately. I'll start by emailing all of the aftermarket retailers and tell them to pull every intake from their product list and tell them if they have any questions, see Foobar and 2forme at ft86club.com and they will explain everything.

Scott

(for those of you watching this thread, this is the part where either Foobar or 2forme will come out, say "that's not what I meant" and "this <insert brand of intake> is better than <insert brand of intake>" or "<insert brand of intake> are a total rip off.")

[ATL BRZ]

Originally Posted by Sportsguy83

I think a BIG disclaimer NEEDS to be added to the OP, saying some of those are Manufacturer number and several independent third party reviews have shown a lot of them to NOT be accurate.

This.

This thread is about as useful as Anne Frank's drum kit without that disclaimer and verified third party dyno charts for every single intake.