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Levi · 01-27-2013, 05:56 PM

This thread is pointless. No use discussing that. Mazda is already "taken" by Alfa. Honda has to build their S2000 successor or baby NSX on their own, same goes for Nissan and their Silvia successor.

fatoni · 01-27-2013, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Levi

This thread is pointless. No use discussing that. Mazda is already "taken" by Alfa. Honda has to build their S2000 successor or baby NSX on their own, same goes for Nissan and their Silvia successor.

while i kinda see what you are saying, the whole vs forum is pointless. its largely speculative and so much of the stuff on this forum is pointless. let them dream.

Allch Chcar · 01-27-2013, 09:19 PM

It's not like Mazda is BFFs with Ford anymore, so they could partner with anyone now. They have the technology/platforms to make a sports car but they don't have nearly as many resources to spend on a halo car as some bigger companies might.

Levi · 01-28-2013, 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by fatoni

while i kinda see what you are saying, the whole vs forum is pointless. its largely speculative and so much of the stuff on this forum is pointless. let them dream.

Discussing "Alpha" vs. "Beta" is not really pointless if they can bring some objective insights or share some subjective point of views, but unfortunately, in most cases, on all forums (VAG, Mercedes, BMW, Porsche, JDM, Corvette, Mustang,...) it turns out to be that way: pointless.

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Originally Posted by Allch Chcar

It's not like Mazda is BFFs with Ford anymore, so they could partner with anyone now. They have the technology/platforms to make a sports car but they don't have nearly as many resources to spend on a halo car as some bigger companies might.

As said, they are already doing that with Alfa Romeo. Deal signed some days ago.

Ingen · 01-28-2013, 02:17 PM

Kind of a giant waste, IMO.

Why would the two companies that've built the best semi-affordable RWD sports cars in the last decade work together to build only one car? We'd all be the losers, because there would be fewer greats.

Mazda needs to keep doing what it's doing with slightly more leg room, and Honda needs to get off its dead ass.

Jaylyons1 · 01-29-2013, 08:58 PM

I would hate to see Honda in the mix. I can't think of a single budget minded performance car they have made. They would probably try to make some S2K/NSX with some god awful rotary. If Mazda would just pull their head out of their asses and make a non-rotary performance car they may be able to get in the fight. The Miata has been in the mix so long that people have pretty much forgotten or refuse to drive one.

D1cker · 01-29-2013, 09:02 PM

I would love a Fixed roof miata with a K20 in it.

fatoni · 01-29-2013, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Jaylyons1

I would hate to see Honda in the mix. I can't think of a single budget minded performance car they have made. They would probably try to make some S2K/NSX with some god awful rotary. If Mazda would just pull their head out of their asses and make a non-rotary performance car they may be able to get in the fight. The Miata has been in the mix so long that people have pretty much forgotten or refuse to drive one.

thats a problem with people, not mazda. no matter how "forgoten" the miata is, you arent going to find a more raced car. also, the miata is not even as old as the rx so...

ib · 02-06-2013, 11:34 PM

I'd love to see an MX-5 coupe as a competitor. Seems like a hatchback would be feasible, which might be a selling point. I'd imagine that they would either need to price it a bit below the FRS or raise the horsepower.

fatoni · 02-07-2013, 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by ib

I'd love to see an MX-5 coupe as a competitor. Seems like a hatchback would be feasible, which might be a selling point. I'd imagine that they would either need to price it a bit below the FRS or raise the horsepower.

there will never be a coupe miata. also, power isnt really relevant. if it was, nobody would be on this forum. the miata has always been slower than its competition and it has been around for over 20 years. i dont think a solid 6 month run from the frs is going to change their gameplan. the speed miata was a sales failure. i think mazda figured the miata out a long time ago.

Robmilkshakes · 02-11-2013, 04:29 PM

It seems to not have been mentioned yet but Mazda and Toyota have announced a partnership on a new vehicle, however it will not be a sports car. It will be built on the next generation Mazda 2 platform in Mazda's Mexico plant. Supposedly it's for another small hatchback but is not the new Yaris. I wouldn't be surprised to see the Yaris phased out and this new vehicle take it's place in the line up or fit into Scion's lineup, possibly replacing an existing model like the xD.

was385 · 02-11-2013, 04:48 PM

I just keep hoping that the Mazda-Alfa relationship spawns anything close to this. Miata fun with Alfa styling.

Allch Chcar · 02-11-2013, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Robmilkshakes

It seems to not have been mentioned yet but Mazda and Toyota have announced a partnership on a new vehicle, however it will not be a sports car. It will be built on the next generation Mazda 2 platform in Mazda's Mexico plant. Supposedly it's for another small hatchback but is not the new Yaris. I wouldn't be surprised to see the Yaris phased out and this new vehicle take it's place in the line up or fit into Scion's lineup, possibly replacing an existing model like the xD.

I saw that. They are in talks to share the Mazda2 chassis and factory in Mexico.

It sounded like Toyota was looking to replace the Yaris, which doesn't make sense since it's more successful than the Mazda2. I wonder if it has anything to do with Naruse's RWD hatchback baby. Probably not but

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http://www.autoblog.com/2012/11/09/m...s-consumption/

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TOYOTA CITY, Japan, Nov. 9, 2012 - Toyota Motor Corporation (TMC) and Mazda Motor Corporation (Mazda) announced that Mazda's plant in Mexico, currently under construction, will produce a Toyota-brand vehicle for sale mainly in North America. The sub-compact Toyota-brand vehicle, to be based on the Mazda2, is to start production around the summer of 2015 at a pace of 50,000 units per year and will be sold through Toyota dealerships.

Mazda's plant in Mexico is scheduled to start production within the fiscal year ending March 2014, with Toyota investing an appropriate portion of production equipment costs and development costs related to the Toyota vehicle and also an appropriate portion of costs related to the plant's production-capacity increase.

Through the agreement, TMC aims to strengthen its North American vehicle lineup, while Mazda aims to increase production efficiency and contribute to its profitability.

Mazda Mexico Plant Outline (as of June 17, 2011 Mazda announcement)

Company name Mazda Motor Manufacturing de Mexico S.A. de C.V.
Location Salamanca city, Guanajuato state, Mexico
Products Mazda2, Mazda3
Annual production capacity 140,000 units
Employees Approx. 3,000

Mazda to Produce Toyota Vehicle at Mexico Plant

Nov 9, 2012

TORONTO, Nov. 9, 2012 /CNW/ - Toyota Motor Corporation (TMC) and Mazda Motor Corporation (Mazda) announced that Mazda's plant in Mexico, currently under construction, will produce a Toyota-brand vehicle for sale mainly in North America. The sub-compact Toyota-brand vehicle, to be based on the Mazda2, is to start production around the summer of 2015 at a pace of 50,000 units per year and will be sold through Toyota dealerships.

Mazda's plant in Mexico is scheduled to start production within the fiscal year ending March 2014, with Toyota investing an appropriate portion of production equipment costs and development costs related to the Toyota vehicle and also an appropriate portion of costs related to the plant's production-capacity increase.

Through the agreement, TMC aims to strengthen its North American vehicle lineup, while Mazda aims to increase production efficiency and contribute to its profitability.

Mazda Mexico Plant Outline (as of June 17, 2011 Mazda announcement)

Company name Mazda Motor Manufacturing de Mexico S.A. de C.V.
Location Salamanca city, Guanajuato state, Mexico
Products Mazda2, Mazda3
Annual production capacity 140,000 units
Employees Approx. 3,000
SOURCE: Mazda Canada Inc.

I can get behind this, if it's something good.

Robmilkshakes · 02-11-2013, 05:04 PM

Well, the Yaris is more successful than the Mazda but is incredibly boring to drive, the 2 actually handles rather well, its only real let down is the engine and clutch feel (also, the styling but that is subjective). I likely wouldn't even consider selling my Mazda if it had a bit more power, honestly, it realistically could use about another 20hp, and it would be just fine. I know I sound like most people out there, who never seem to get enough, but it's 2013, 120hp doesn't seem unreasonable to me. Also, this is purely from my observation and has no backing in hard evidence, the Fit is seems to be much more successful than the even the Yaris, for good reason, and TMC may be looking to get a little bigger piece of the market.

01-28-2013, 02:17 PM	#61
Ingen Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Drives: Ultramarine FR-S 6MT Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 525 Thanks: 349 Thanked 204 Times in 121 Posts Mentioned: 2 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Kind of a giant waste, IMO. Why would the two companies that've built the best semi-affordable RWD sports cars in the last decade work together to build only one car? We'd all be the losers, because there would be fewer greats. Mazda needs to keep doing what it's doing with slightly more leg room, and Honda needs to get off its dead ass. __________________ Car Received: 10/18. Break in ended: 10/28 Goal: Openflash UEL headers, Stage II 93 oct, TRD intake, arm rest :P

01-29-2013, 08:58 PM	#62
Jaylyons1 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Drives: 2022 WRB BRZ; 1993 Skyline GT-R Location: Pearl City, HI Posts: 977 Thanks: 331 Thanked 237 Times in 170 Posts Mentioned: 21 Post(s) Tagged: 1 Thread(s)	I would hate to see Honda in the mix. I can't think of a single budget minded performance car they have made. They would probably try to make some S2K/NSX with some god awful rotary. If Mazda would just pull their head out of their asses and make a non-rotary performance car they may be able to get in the fight. The Miata has been in the mix so long that people have pretty much forgotten or refuse to drive one. __________________ 2013 BRZ "Bria" Build Thread 2022 BRZ "Grim86" build Thread

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01-27-2013, 05:56 PM	#57
Levi Senior Member Join Date: May 2011 Drives: Toyota Location: Germany Posts: 1,202 Thanks: 134 Thanked 138 Times in 90 Posts Mentioned: 5 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	This thread is pointless. No use discussing that. Mazda is already "taken" by Alfa. Honda has to build their S2000 successor or baby NSX on their own, same goes for Nissan and their Silvia successor.

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D1cker Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Drives: B9 S4/ND2 Location: Fullerton, CA Posts: 522 Thanks: 190 Thanked 182 Times in 106 Posts Mentioned: 21 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I would love a Fixed roof miata with a K20 in it.

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ib Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Drives: FR-S Lava, MT Location: Lehigh Valley, PA Posts: 40 Thanks: 3 Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts Mentioned: 6 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I'd love to see an MX-5 coupe as a competitor. Seems like a hatchback would be feasible, which might be a selling point. I'd imagine that they would either need to price it a bit below the FRS or raise the horsepower.

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Robmilkshakes Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Drives: '94 Miata R Package Location: Dundalk, MD Posts: 36 Thanks: 0 Thanked 17 Times in 11 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	It seems to not have been mentioned yet but Mazda and Toyota have announced a partnership on a new vehicle, however it will not be a sports car. It will be built on the next generation Mazda 2 platform in Mazda's Mexico plant. Supposedly it's for another small hatchback but is not the new Yaris. I wouldn't be surprised to see the Yaris phased out and this new vehicle take it's place in the line up or fit into Scion's lineup, possibly replacing an existing model like the xD.

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was385 Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Drives: MT WRB BRZ Limited, 2007 911s Location: CT Posts: 812 Thanks: 218 Thanked 381 Times in 181 Posts Mentioned: 9 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I just keep hoping that the Mazda-Alfa relationship spawns anything close to this. Miata fun with Alfa styling.

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Robmilkshakes Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Drives: '94 Miata R Package Location: Dundalk, MD Posts: 36 Thanks: 0 Thanked 17 Times in 11 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Well, the Yaris is more successful than the Mazda but is incredibly boring to drive, the 2 actually handles rather well, its only real let down is the engine and clutch feel (also, the styling but that is subjective). I likely wouldn't even consider selling my Mazda if it had a bit more power, honestly, it realistically could use about another 20hp, and it would be just fine. I know I sound like most people out there, who never seem to get enough, but it's 2013, 120hp doesn't seem unreasonable to me. Also, this is purely from my observation and has no backing in hard evidence, the Fit is seems to be much more successful than the even the Yaris, for good reason, and TMC may be looking to get a little bigger piece of the market.

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