my brz vs my evo x

[DarkSunrise]

Originally Posted by shyong

Huh? You've got issues. At least contribute to the conversation by reading up on the actual debate. It's plenty disrespectful just selectively pulling out and nit-picking what you want to see. You've contributed absolutely nothing to this conversation.

LOL. I'm the disrespectful one and the one with issues? I'm the one nit-picking? Seriously have you read your own posts?

Haven't you realized yet why you keep having to clarify your views and why you keep getting into arguments with people who don't disagree with your opinion? Why you're continually telling people that you never said the Evo was a supercar. Dude get a clue and take your own advice.

[shyong]

Originally Posted by DarkSunrise

LOL. I'm the disrespectful one and the one with issues? I'm the one nit-picking? Seriously have you read your own posts?

Haven't you realized yet why you keep having to clarify your views and why you keep getting into arguments with people who don't disagree with your opinion? Why you're continually telling people that you never said the Evo was a supercar. Dude get a clue and take your own advice.

Let's go back a few pages.

Originally Posted by shyong

If you think the only thing that differentiates a Evo from a 'regular' Lancer is a turbo and AWD, you're really missing the big picture. No amount of explaining to you will let you see how special Evo's are.

Is this what you're talking about? This is where it started. btw, you call it argument, I call it a debate. I guess with your negativity, everything's a confrontation for you. I don't blame you. I don't see anything about where I claim the Evo to be a super car. Do you?

Originally Posted by DarkSunrise

Why you're continually telling people that you never said the Evo was a supercar.

Because some folks, like yourself, jumped to the conclusion I insisted on how the Evo was a super car. You read out of context or selectively wanted to see what wasn't there.


What's wrong with clarifying if what came out wasn't easily understood?


And who's everyone? You and two other people? ROFL. At least the other folks who had a different view had civility to get their point across. Only thing I'm getting from you is...I'm wrong, you're right. So please come off your high horse.

In the end, people won't see eye to eye on everything, which is all fine. And if you go back and read EVERYTHING, I even state that it's okay. Only person stirring up nonsense is YOU.

Not going to guess what you're having to deal with in life, but if you've got an issue with me personally take it to PM. Thanks.

[OrbitalEllipses]

I suggest we all take a step back, take a deep breath, and stop posting about whether or not the Evo is a sports car, supercar, or any other <insert noun>car. Let's get back to comparing it to the BRZ/FR-S/86; I profusely apologize for taking this thread so off course.

[DeeezNuuuts83]

Originally Posted by OrbitalEllipses

Let's get back to comparing it to the BRZ/FR-S/86

"The FR-S's steering — although quite light — offers a granular precision not available since Mitsubishi's Evo IX disappeared."
http://www.edmunds.com/car-reviews/f...dont-know.html

"When it comes to purity of purpose, you'll be hard-pressed to find a car that delivers this much speed and involvement under $50,000 — Mitsubishi's Evo X being one possible exception."
http://www.edmunds.com/subaru/brz/2013/road-test.html
(BRZ links on Edmunds are having some issues, might be dead)

Seems to be comparable... which is good on both cars' parts.

[OrbitalEllipses]

Evo has QUICK steering; that's why in most Evo vs STI comparos the Evo always won out on steering. The ratio should be around the twins' level.

[DarkSunrise]

Originally Posted by shyong

Let's go back a few pages.

Is this what you're talking about? This is where it started. btw, you call it argument, I call it a debate. I guess with your negativity, everything's a confrontation for you. I don't blame you. I don't see anything about where I claim the Evo to be a super car. Do you?

Because some folks, like yourself, jumped to the conclusion I insisted on how the Evo was a super car. You read out of context or selectively wanted to see what wasn't there.

What's wrong with clarifying if what came out wasn't easily understood?

And who's everyone? You and two other people? ROFL. At least the other folks who had a different view had civility to get their point across. Only thing I'm getting from you is...I'm wrong, you're right. So please come off your high horse.

In the end, people won't see eye to eye on everything, which is all fine. And if you go back and read EVERYTHING, I even state that it's okay. Only person stirring up nonsense is YOU.

Not going to guess what you're having to deal with in life, but if you've got an issue with me personally take it to PM. Thanks.

Your first mistake was assuming I was talking to you in my first post in this thread. I wasn't. My post was agreeing with/directed at King Tut.

Originally Posted by King Tut

Everything I said is accurate. The Evo is based on a 4 door Lancer econobox is it not. I am fully aware of what the Evo is and is not.

I could see calling the Z06 a super car, but none of the others.

Originally Posted by DarkSunrise

Lancer = 148hp 4dr econobox ($15,995)

Corvette = 430hp 2dr purpose-built sports car ($49,600)

I'd imagine the latter is much closer to being a supercar than the former.

But you wanted to reply to my post that you can't judge a car based on its lowest level model. (Don't even know why you got involved here since you keep insisting you don't think the Evo is a supercar).

Originally Posted by shyong

So defining a car based on what the lowest level model is...I'm assuming the FR-S/BRZ's closer to being a super car than an Evo?

To which I replied you absolutely can judge a car based on what its lowest level model is, i.e., there are no supercars that are based on econoboxes. That is, by definition, antithetical to what a supercar is. Think about that for a moment.

So I responded:

Originally Posted by DarkSunrise

Name me a supercar that's based on an econobox platform.

To which you argued that there are no lesser versions of supercars.

Originally Posted by shyong

Have you been reading what's been posted on here or did you just jump in haphazardly? Just because something's closer in potential to being a super car doesn't mean it's a super car. There's no lesser version of a super car. For example, Ferrari doesn't make a neutered down version of their 458 Italia.

Assuming you thought I said the Evo was a super car with your above response, let me clarify...that was never said.

And I correctly pointed out that was just your opinion.

Originally Posted by DarkSunrise

There are certainly plenty of credible people in the industry who would disagree with you.

Corvette ZR-1:

http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-vide...claren-mp4-12c

Porsche 911 Turbo S:

http://www.boston.com/cars/newsandre...sense_911.html

http://www.evo.co.uk/news/evonews/24..._supercar.html



When I owned my STI, I thought it was a fun car, but I wouldn't deny it was an econobox fitted with a turbo and expensive AWD drivetrain. Nothing wrong with that, but definitely not a supercar. Same with the C63 AMG black and ITR.

Obviously plenty of experienced people in the industry view the ZR1 and 911T-S as supercars. Those cars are based on lesser sports car platforms, but some still view those as supercars. The Evo/STI/Golf R, based on econobox platforms? Not so much. I've never seen anyone credibly argue those are supercars in the way 458 Italias or Aventadors (or ZR1s) are.

Not sure why that was so difficult for you to follow or why you resorted to personal attacks. The irony being of course that I actually think you might be the one with personal issues (lashing out at people) or difficulty understanding what people are saying, but w/e, I'll post this up in good faith and see if you finally get it.

[shyong]

@DarkSunrise

Are you happy now? Can we move on? Thanks.

[DarkSunrise]

Originally Posted by shyong

@DarkSunrise

Are you happy now? Can we move on? Thanks.

Sure, whatever you want. I just posted the facts that led to your little temper tantrum.

[orthojoe]

Originally Posted by shyong

Not in stock trim. Are you talking about the UK FQ models? Because bone stock it's far from a super car. It has the ability to run super car like performance numbers modded up but let's not kid ourselves. It's not a super car.

Agree. Evo is NOT a supercar. Not by any stretch of the imagination. I used to own one. It was a great car, but couldn't hold up to track use for me.

BTW, technically the lancer is based off the Evo X. The Evo X was made initially, and then stripped down to make the lancer.

[shyong]

Originally Posted by DarkSunrise

Sure, whatever you want. I just posted the facts that led to your little temper tantrum.

Sure. Being the bigger man here by shutting up so this doesn't continue on for the next two pages. Like I said, if you've got an issue with me, PM me. Asked you before so this thread jacking wouldn't affect other people discussing the topic listed. Move on.

[OrbitalEllipses]

Corner entry/exit speeds, Evo vs. twins; anyone got data?

[orthojoe]

Originally Posted by OrbitalEllipses

Corner entry/exit speeds, Evo vs. twins; anyone got data?

Stock for stock? Evo wins on both. Easily

[OrbitalEllipses]

Originally Posted by orthojoe

Stock for stock? Evo wins on both. Easily

I was looking for data points as far as what the speeds actually are, but thanks for trying.

[shyong]

Originally Posted by orthojoe

BTW, technically the lancer is based off the Evo X. The Evo X was made initially, and then stripped down to make the lancer.

I mentioned that about a page or two back. The original transmission the X was designed around was the DCT, not the manual. Yeah, I read up on the facts way back when in 2008 when I owned a X. Great car btw.