Forced Induction Dyno Chart Listing!

[Supermassive]

First off let me just say that forced induction really has me excited when it comes to this car, mostly because since I have started running my car with a turbo all I want is more. More power. More torque. More whoosh!

With this in mind I think it's time we collectively put our results together in one thread so we can accurately compare where we are with our setups and what outputs are common with certain setups.

So I have come up with a few guidelines for posting dyno information so that it is standardized across the board for certain dyno types.

Lets start with the simple part; the actual dyno run!

When you bring your car to a dyno shop to have it dynoed we need to figure out what gear to run it in so we can stay consistent across our data. I recently had mine run in 4th gear, but I think that since 5th gear in a manual is 1:1 ratio that might be a better indicator of actual power, but with my current redline the wheels and tires would be rolling at speeds of over 160mph at redline in 5th gear. So I will leave this up to the poll to decide which will be the standard for dyno runs...4th or 5th gear.

For the auto crowd 4th gear is a 1:1 ratio and should be run on the dyno as such. I don't know much about running auto's on dynos so hopefully someone can clarify it for me.

So for the time being since my car was run in 4th gear that's the data I will post, but I would like all future dyno charts to use the same gear so we have more accurate data.

The second thing is to note how the dyno shop captures AFR data. Is it via tailpipe sniffer or a wideband sensor?

Last thing to make sure to get is the actual run files from the dyno. Pictures are nice and all but the actual run files are easier for you to take home and generate a graph showing the desired data. Also with run files you can share the file with me and or anyone else and we can generate overlaid run files with whichever cars we want. As long as the correction factor is relatively close these overlaid run charts will be the biggest benefit to finding lost hp or potential hp gains, especially on cars running the same FI kits. My experience is solely with DynoJet run files and their WinPEP 7 program so for the Mustang dyno crowd any info about file types and programs used to view that data would be useful.

DynoJet:

DynoJet files are saved as .drf files. They usually have boring names like RunFile_001.drf. make sure that when you go to a dyno shop that they understand that you want those files from your run emailed to you or you can save them to a USB thumb drive.

Once you have the run files you will want to go to this website and download DynoJet's WinPEP 7 http://dynojet.com/downloads/software.aspx When you go to that page about halfway down there is a gray box that says "Trying to view your Run", click that and download the installer. Once you have the program installed you can view the .drf files and manipultae the charts to show the data you want. I can help you view the data if you need it, but the program is pretty self explanatory.

Mustang Dyno:

Reserved for more information!


What to do with your run data to post the information here!

Once you have the run data and the applicable program to view that data we need to have the charts display certain information. You should have a two part graph similar to the one below:


23JAN13 7PSI DYNO by Supermassive80, on Flickr

Set your graph up just like this. On the top chart it should be Power on the left and Torque on the right, and the bottom chart should be Air/Fuel ratio on the left. X axis should be Engine Speed or RPM. Other things to set up for posting is correction factor or CF and smoothing. Correction factor is basically how the dyno takes the raw data and converts it into actual HP figures. There are 6 different correction factors in WinPEP7 but the one we want to use for consistency's sake is SAE. For the smoothing setting I think the best bet is to go with a smoothing setting of zero. Sure smoothing makes for some nice smooth curves but hides any peaks and valleys that might otherwise show inconsistencies in the power output.

Ok now you have your graphs all properly set up and you want to post the results. First you will need to export the graph. In WinPEP 7 you do this via the File menu. When it asks you to save the data, save it as a JPEG. For Mustang Dyno figures someone will have to explain it to me! Once you have the dyno graph exported to wherever you want it saved you will need to post it online via whichever photo hosting site you prefer. Just ensure the data is clearly visible. I use Flickr because it lets me save actual size photos and doesn't force me to resize them.

Now you are set to post your data here.

Copy this format for your post so that I can populate a list of dyno charts based on the kit and which type of dyno you ran on.

-Car type (ex. Subaru BRZ 6MT)
-Forced Induction Kit (ex. AVO Stage 1 Turbo)
-Tuner (ex. EcuTek by FA20Club.com)
-Fuel Type (ex. 91 Octane)
-Boost (ex. 7PSI)
-Dyno Type (DynoJet)
-Link to build page (ex. http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13381 )
JPEG of Dyno Chart


Now that we have all this data we will have a one stop location to view it and compare it. I want links to build pages so we can see what mods you are running and also to read any opinions you might have about said upgrades. This community grows daily and I would like to help ensure that the Forced Induction crowd is properly represented.

In an effort to keep this thread relevant and easy to navigate any off topic discussion should be removed by the mods. I will keep this listing as up to date as possible and I will gladly accept any run files you have and will work to keep an overlaid graph up for each FI kit type. This may take a while for me to populate as I only have my current data on hand but as more data is posted and if anyone sends me the run files the more likely it will be that I will have the graphs up!

Cheers!

[Supermassive]

Turbo Kits:

Accelerated Performance:

No Data

AVO Turbo World:

No Data

Full Blown:

No Data

P&L Motorsports Stage 1:

Supermassive - 7PSI - 254.93WHP - 207.15WTQ

Treadstone Performance:

No Data

[Supermassive]

Supercharger Kits:

HKS Supercharger:

No Data

Innovate Motorsports:

No Data

Toyota Racing Development:

No Data

Vortech:

No data

[Drift-Office]

At the very least, perhaps not the drf files but certainly the following :

HP
Torque
AFR
Logged BOOST (Since this IS a FI discussion)

and Correction Factor in SAE since that's pretty much the defacto standard here and we get an apples-apples comparison...

Cheers!


Bob @ Drift-Office, LLC

[Supermassive]

-Scion FR-S 6MT
-P&L Motorsports Stage 1 Turbo Kit
-EcuTek by @Visconti
-91 Octane
-7PSI
-DynoJet
-http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13381


23JAN13 7PSI DYNO by Supermassive80, on Flickr

[Supermassive]

Originally Posted by Drift-Office

At the very least, perhaps not the drf files but certainly the following :

HP
Torque
AFR
Logged BOOST (Since this IS a FI discussion)

and Correction Factor in SAE since that's pretty much the defacto standard here and we get an apples-apples comparison...

Cheers!


Bob @ Drift-Office, LLC

Yeah forgot boost...

What's wrong with DRF files, there nothing to be gleaned from the data except A/F ratio which is hardly a secret. On second thought SAE should be the standard correction factor! Will edit to reflect!

[Drift-Office]

Originally Posted by Supermassive

Yeah forgot boost...

What's wrong with DRF files, there nothing to be gleaned from the data except A/F ratio which is hardly a secret. On second thought SAE should be the standard correction factor! Will edit to reflect!

I've just had first hand bad experiences where people use the DRFs and make their own dyno charts with their own tuning company name, so I don't think there's a need nor will I participate if that's the case. Posting charts with the relevant information where possible will suffice.

Regards!


Bob @ Drift-Office, LLC

[Supermassive]

Originally Posted by Drift-Office

I've just had first hand bad experiences where people use the DRFs and make their own dyno charts with their own tuning company name, so I don't think there's a need nor will I participate if that's the case. Posting charts with the relevant information where possible will suffice.

Regards!


Bob @ Drift-Office, LLC

Ah I see, well I was kinda hoping that people would let me use them to create compiled graphs...i don't mean to share the files here in a public thread but to PM me and arrange for me to use the file solely for that purpose. I am not a tuner nor do i have anything to gain by sharing those files. I understand if tuning shops don't want to share the files and if anyone in particular decides that they don't want to. It was just an idea is all.

[Drift-Office]

I'll post dyno graphs, but I won't be sharing DRFs, unless you feel compelled to share with me the same DRFs for cross comparison? I don't think you'll get much support from others either way... Most dyno shops usually don't give em out.


Cheers!


Bob @ Drift-Office, LLC

[Supermassive]

Originally Posted by Drift-Office

I'll post dyno graphs, but I won't be sharing DRFs, unless you feel compelled to share with me the same DRFs for cross comparison? I don't think you'll get much support from others either way... Most dyno shops usually don't give em out.


Cheers!


Bob @ Drift-Office, LLC

No worries, if you post numbers in the agreed upon format that's more than enough. This thread is not intended to be a vendor advertising thread either, just a place where we can have access to dyno charts without having to dig through each individual FI thread looking for comparisons.

Here's my .drf files for anyone to look at and play with WinPEP 7

[Drift-Office]

It's appreciated, but there wasn't any boost logged on your runs either. And were you in 5th?

Regards,


Bob @ Drift-Office, LLC

[Supermassive]

Sorry, boost was 7PSI using just the wastegate spring pressure and it was in 4th gear. I plan on returning to the dyno to run a 5th gear log to see what differences there might be. I know 5th on these cars is 1:1 ratio but I didn't at the time of my initial dyno run.

[Drift-Office]

Originally Posted by Supermassive

Sorry, boost was 7PSI using just the wastegate spring pressure and it was in 4th gear.

Were you running aftermarket wheels?


Bob @ Drift-Office, LLC

[Supermassive]

Yeah 18x9.5 Gramlight 57Xtremes with Nitto Invo tires in 255/35/18. I guess i should add that info in there as well...