How To Properly Carve a Canyon

[NESW20]

as far as the shuffle steering:

they saw at the wheel a lot, but none of them feed the wheel through their hands like you were doing constantly in the video. the video you post of Rhys climbing Pike's Peak showed him feed the wheel when he was in high-angle slides, something you weren't doing in the video. and the video of Foust around the road course at what looked like Fontana was a pretty poor show of steering work.

-Mike

[NESW20]

here's another:

notice that his hands are nearly ALWAYS at 9 and 3 on the wheel, even when he's fully countersteering at 2:06.

-Mike

[ronin]

Originally Posted by NESW20

IIRC, from 7-11 to In-N-Out is 18 or 19 miles. now, it's been a while since i've been out there, but i have a hard time believing the section you ran was a full 12 miles. that's beside the point.

so you're arguing that the proper way to downshift is to DRAG THE REVS UP WITH THE CLUTCH??? that's the most asinine thing i've ever heard. heel toeing has nothing to do with gear ratios. at all.

when using brakes properly (notice i never once said you should be threshold braking at every corner), the driver will not upset the car coming into a corner. i feel sorry for you if you are unable to use brakes without upsetting the car.

sand is definitely an issue, which again, is why i think it's fine not to push hard through a canyon. but to me, it seems like you're trying to make excuses for a lack of driving skill. sand has nothing to do with proper driving technique.

in my car i'm able to turn the wheel roughly 120 degrees in either direction before i need to regrip. that gives me a total of (if you do the math) 240 degrees of wheel angle before regripping. it looked like you maybe turned the wheel that far once or twice.

next time, try to put together a better post that defends what you're doing in the video instead of sitting there calling me names and contradicting yourself. you say you want to be cautious around blind corners and sand (i agree), but then you also say you "don't want to scrub off too much speed." seems to me like you don't know which side of the fence you want to be on.

-Mike

Here's the video again now what clutch draging to keep up the revs ? You don't have a clue as to what you're talkin about..

There is a huge difference between scrubin of speed and mantaining a smooth corner entrance and momentium through the turn alowing for a fast and controble exit...as I said before you have no clue how to drive the canyons....
You say I have a lack of driving skill ? Take another look at the video and point out the times I cross the center line, better yet point out the times I don't cross the center line.....at speed.....a measured 12 mi. in 8:26 87 mph average.....and that is the point. It takes skill to drive in control at speed....

Heal and toeing is used when braking and downshifting simultaneously (prior to entering a turn), and allows the driver to "blip" the throttle to raise the engine speed and smoothly engage the lower gear so that there is no momentery locking of the drive wheels which could upset the car as it enters the corner. It has everything to do with gear ratios matching drive wheel speed...... Now point out one time the rear wheels chirp due to improper downshifting....

I never contradicted myself, you just don't know what you are talkin about and that's how people know it's you speakin like an idiot..
(denoting a person of low intelligence)..

[NESW20]

Originally Posted by ronin

Here's the video again now what clutch draging to keep up the revs ? You don't have a clue as to what you're talkin about..

when you downshift, i hear no throttle blip. no blips at 0:18, 0:41, 1:08, i heard a slight blip at 1:23, hit the center line at 2:20, no blip at 2:53, 3:33, 3:54... it's unfortunate that your reading comprehension skills seem to be worse off than your driving skills.

There is a huge difference between scrubin of speed and mantaining a smooth corner entrance and momentium through the turn alowing for a fast and controble exit...as I said before you have no clue how to drive the canyons....

you have no idea how i drive. good job making assumptions though!!!

You say I have a lack of driving skill ? Take another look at the video and point out the times I cross the center line, better yet point out the times I don't cross the center line.....at speed.....a measured 12 mi. in 8:26 87 mph average.....and that is the point. It takes skill to drive in control at speed....

what was "beside the point" was the distance of the section in the video. maybe what you don't understand is that i have driven that canyon nearly 100 times, in both directions, and my point was that i didn't think that section was 12 miles. if you have evidence to the contrary, i'll happily retract my statement.

if all it takes to have this AWESOME driving skill is the ability to keep the car between lines painted on the road, i'm surrounded by all of the world's most amazing drivers constantly when out on the road. oh, you didn't run into anything either? good job!!!

Heal and toeing is used when braking and downshifting simultaneously (prior to entering a turn), and allows the driver to "blip" the throttle to raise the engine speed and smoothly engage the lower gear so that there is no momentery locking of the drive wheels which could upset the car as it enters the corner.

i know what it is and how to do it properly while threshold braking, but thanks for trying. my MR2 doesn't have ABS, so i actually had to learn to prevent lockup myself.

It has everything to do with gear ratios matching drive wheel speed...... Now point out one time the rear wheels chirp due to improper downshifting....

you stated before that you had "the correct gears for the corners." that's fine, but explain how having the proper gears for the corners precludes you from needing to execute a proper heel-toe downshift coming up to the corner.

I never contradicted myself, you just don't know what you are talkin about and that's how people know it's you speakin like an idiot..
(denoting a person of low intelligence)..

you have no idea what i know, how smart i am, or anything about me. you're the one who joined this forum exclusively to come on here and call me names. that makes you an awesome human being.

responses in bold blue.

-Mike

[NESW20]

wow, you have lots of money. great. another self righteous asshat with a larger checkbook than brain. those are some great looking cars that you claim to have driven. RS200, Stratos, Quattro Sport, and a Renault of some sort.

it's unfortunate that you felt like you had to be so confrontational instead of having an intelligent discussion. it hurts my neck stooping to your level.

-Mike

[ronin]

when you downshift, i hear no throttle blip. no blips at 0:18, 0:41, 1:08, i heard a slight blip at 1:23, hit the center line at 2:20, no blip at 2:53, 3:33, 3:54... it's unfortunate that your reading comprehension skills seem to be worse off than your driving skills.

The fact that you didn't hear it means nothing. The fact that the car does not react [gets upset] to the shift does..... I have syncros fool....

you have no idea how i drive. good job making assumptions though!!!

When you talk like a fool assumptions are all I have to go by..

what was "beside the point" was the distance of the section in the video. maybe what you don't understand is that i have driven that canyon nearly 100 times, in both directions, and my point was that i didn't think that section was 12 miles. if you have evidence to the contrary, i'll happily retract my statement.


Go to Google maps and mark it out, I've got a GPS in car that tells me so along with my odometer.....and I have no reason to bullshit anyone ..

i know what it is and how to do it properly while threshold braking, but thanks for trying. my MR2 doesn't have ABS, so i actually had to learn to prevent lockup myself.

That's great but what's that have to do with the discusion since my ABS was never engaged while braking...

you stated before that you had "the correct gears for the corners." that's fine, but explain how having the proper gears for the corners precludes you from needing to execute a proper heel-toe downshift coming up to the corner.

Again you don't know what you're talkin about....I do have a sycro gearbox you know...and one more time the rear tires never chirp on a downshift so you have no idea what the hell you're talkin about....turn up the volume..

you have no idea what i know, how smart i am, or anything about me. you're the one who joined this forum exclusively to come on here and call me names. that makes you an awesome human being.


Again you assume too much your lack of driving knowalge leads me to believe that you indeed are an idiot.....You are not the reason I joined this forum but it's a good thing I did so that guys will open their eyes and not believe all the crap they are feed by guys that don't have a freakin clue as to what they are talkin about......

if all it takes to have this AWESOME driving skill is the ability to keep the car between lines painted on the road, i'm surrounded by all of the world's most amazing drivers constantly when out on the road. oh, you didn't run into anything either? good job!!!

Now this is the one and only time you've said something correct.....

Stay in school....

[NESW20]

that's nice. i'm done with this, i have better things to do with my time. enjoy your cars. i hope i never see you drive again.

-Mike

PS - according to google maps, the section you ran in the video was 8.6 miles. so you averaged closer to 63mph. and like i said before, from 7-11 to In-N-Out is just under 18 miles.

[S2KtoFT86]

My d**k is bigger than yours. Enough said. /thread.

[ronin]

Originally Posted by NESW20

that's nice. i'm done with this, i have better things to do with my time. enjoy your cars. i hope i never see you drive again.

-Mike

PS - according to google maps, the section you ran in the video was 8.6 miles. so you averaged closer to 63mph. and like i said before, from 7-11 to In-N-Out is just under 18 miles.

if all it takes to have this AWESOME driving skill is the ability to keep the car between lines painted on the road, i'm surrounded by all of the world's most amazing drivers constantly when out on the road. oh, you didn't run into anything either? good job!!!

My bad it's 11.5 on google maps... 83.5 mph average and still don't cross the line, have fun girls...

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&sour...13032&t=h&z=13

[Franisco]

Bye TOMMY!

[OldSkoolToys]

Good show!

Oh! This thread needs more pics!

[Jordo!]

Cat pictures... what would an internet forum be without the sting of cat pictures?

Anyway, from about 00:45 on

you guys really consider that "babying"???

Is it considered "babying" until the car goes sideways or something? Then again I'm only a softcore car enthusiast...

[OldSkoolToys]

Originally Posted by Jordo!

Cat pictures... what would an internet forum be without the sting of cat pictures?

Anyway, from about 00:45 on

you guys really consider that "babying"???

Is it considered "babying" until the car goes sideways or something? Then again I'm only a softcore car enthusiast...

I'd suspect a college professor would be able to comprehend the english language just as well as he's able to use it for snide remarks.

i'd be babying that car too, a slight error and bam your lotus is no longer pretty, or worse with that canyon dropoff...

I wouldn't baby it if I did a build like that. I'd baby it if it were a garage queen.

Jordo, the 'babying' comment was in relation to scapes post of "I'd baby that car." Well I wouldn't. Now, point out to me anywhere where I said he was babying that car down the canyon?

You're not gonna find it.

You WILL find:

Granted there were a few moments in the video where its quite obvious he was taking it sleazy.

And there are. Hell, he even said himself the reasons why he did so. Totally acceptable. Its a public road in the middle of the day.

Nice car, nice road. I've seen crazier canyon videos though. So to the thread title of 'How to properly carve a canyon' I say, meh.

[#87]

Originally Posted by OldSkoolToys

I've seen crazier canyon videos though.

Do post, I am bored and need to see some sick vids!