Am i the only one who thinks carbon fiber shouldn't be in interiors?

[Asterisked Accolade]

Originally Posted by ziggz501

as humans, we are all attracted to symmetry. difficult to pull off in a car interior, especially since there is only one wheel, one set of gauges, and one set of pedals... since carbon fiber is a weave, it is extremely difficult to pull off without upsetting the balance of the interior. beauty is not as subjective as you may believe it to be.

Originally Posted by dem00n

Well you just presented a well made sentence trying to point me out as a the bad guy.

So why don't you do something about it? Change the world.

Whats stopping you?

I did something about it, i made people realize that the cheap carbon fiber wraps on their cars and interior make their car look cheap and cheesy, also proved insight on how to make their cars look better and give it a sporty look if that's what they want.

Well?

I think i can pretty much reply to both with the same sentence:
Personal taste and perception is intrinsically subjective and is not compatible with any paradigm where there is right and wrong-- unless brought to a moral/civil court-type plane.

To say to someone, 'That looks cheesy/bad, you shouldn't do that,' is just phantasmagorically wrong. You overstep your boundaries immediately once you put this type of criticism onto someone. It is true that there are varying levels of subjectivity such as how more people dislike neon under-carriage lights than carbon fiber hoods, but in the end it is still opinion-- and that is something to always remember and respect.

As for the whole changing the world thing, i'm not sure exactly what you're proposing but i'm fairly sure it's nonsense.

As for making you out to be 'the bad guy,' i'm simply pointing out a mental fallacy i noticed in your posts. You seem to be very judgmental and (no offense) but at times, narrow minded. I think i remember you in a separate topic saying how even if A/T and M/T or FWD and RWD were both as capable as the other, that the A/T and/or FWD would still 'suck.' I'm not asserting you're a bad guy, i'm just saying you talk like one.

[dem00n]

Originally Posted by Asterisked Accolade

I think i can pretty much reply to both with the same sentence:
Personal taste and perception is intrinsically subjective and is not compatible with any paradigm where there is right and wrong-- unless brought to a moral/civil court-type plane.

To say to someone, 'That looks cheesy/bad, you shouldn't do that,' is just phantasmagorically wrong. You overstep your boundaries immediately once you post this type of criticism onto someone. It is true that there are varying level of subjectivity such as how more people dislike neon under-carriage lights than carbon fiber hoods, but in the end it is still opinion-- and that is something to always remember and respect.

As for the whole changing the world thing, i'm not sure exactly what you're proposing but i fairly sure it's nonsense.

As for making you out to be 'the bad guy,' i'm simply pointing out a mental fallacy i noticed in your posts. You seem to be very judgmental and (no offense) but at times, narrow minded. I think i remember you in a separate topic saying how even if A/T and M/T or FWD and RWD were both as capable as the other, that the A/T and/or FWD would still 'suck.' I'm not saying you're a bad guy, i'm just saying you talk like one.

I am a bad guy, i don't blame you for pointing me out as one.

But you are aware you are on a discussion forum where people pose their views, angers, compliments and positive feedback, correct?

What your doing is like going to a store that sells chainsaws and protesting that chainsaws are killing trees.

And on the matter of changing the world? Anyone can do it, but you have to be crazy.

Listen, your arguing about judgement and opinions is...natural. Look at that pretty picture in your signature, do you think you would of liked that picture if you were born in a different country, a different time and raised by different parents?

We all have a wide array of tastes and i welcome anyone and everyone to disagree with my tastes and views.

If i meet you in real life i'd welcome you with all the love and attention as anyone else but we are going to disagree on things and have different opinions.

The car world will always have people hating on Honda's and Moapr versus Chevy. But that isn't a bad thing because it is only present on the internet, you won't see a guy with a Cuda' get into a fist fight with a guy that owns a 68 Camaro in real life.

[johnnie]

Personal taste.

IMHO carbon fiber is overrated. Faux carbon fiber is even worst!!

To sum it up, let's just say that carbon fiber is the new chrome.

[ziggz501]

when i said not as subjective, i was suggesting the existence of subjectivity. i'd just be willing to bet, that a majority of people, if you were to take a poll of random people, would find CF to be unattractive in a car interior. they may not realize why, but i already pointed out why for you. symmetry.

[Asterisked Accolade]

Originally Posted by dem00n

I am a bad guy, i don't blame you for pointing me out as one.

But you are aware you are on a discussion forum where people pose their views, angers, compliments and positive feedback, correct?

What your doing is like going to a store that sells chainsaws and protesting that chainsaws are killing trees.

And on the matter of changing the world? Anyone can do it, but you have to be crazy.

Listen, your arguing about judgement and opinions is...natural. Look at that pretty picture in your signature, do you think you would of liked that picture if you were born in a different country, a different time and raised by different parents?

We all have a wide array of tastes and i welcome anyone and everyone to disagree with my tastes and views.

If i meet you in real life i'd welcome you with all the love and attention as anyone else but we are going to disagree on things and have different opinions.

The car world will always have people hating on Honda's and Moapr versus Chevy. But that isn't a bad thing because it is only present on the internet, you won't see a guy with a Cuda' get into a fist fight with a guy that owns a 68 Camaro in real life.

Profound-- you just displayed a working knowledge of what i've been explaining, yet before i replied, you spoke as though you didn't. This leads me to presume you're simply ignoring that knowledge. This then gets much shorter; you say you acknowledge that this is a place to share views and the like, but do not express your views on views' terms.

On the point of animosity only being limited to the internet, i have to disagree. Perhaps the Plymouth guys don't punch the Chevy guys, but i frequently see insults, shoving, and any array of personal attacks in the physical world of the car hobby-- not just on the internet. (Given that the younger these guys are, the worse they tend to be.)

I guess what i'm driving at, is that if you express your opinions as opinions and with the same openness that you just displayed in your quote above, then things will be smoother and more enjoyable for everyone. (Ideally.) Otherwise you come off as having started a thread, stated something that is immediately offending those who differ from opinion-- and that would have been avoided had you been open enough to state that you understand it is just an opinion. It's the difference between saying to someone with a Teal colored car, 'I'm not really a fan of Teal,' versus 'Uhg, Teal is so ugly.'

It's the little differences. You mentioned changing the world, and i presume it's in a hypothetical sense, but something you can change is your interactions with people. By showing respect and calling a spade a spade, you'd be surprised how much that can improve your peer-to-peer interactions.

[Grey]

It's ugly and tacky on the outside, why shouldn't it be ugly and tacky in the interior?

[Rayme]

Originally Posted by dem00n

Its such a boring pattern, carbon fiber isn't really attractive to look at all. People who don't know what carbon fiber is, thinks it looks stupid as well. Have you ever tried to explain the reason why you have a carbon fiber wrap on your hood to someone who doesn't care about cars? Its hilarious.

I haven't, have you? It was hilarious?

[Dimman]

I love the look of gloss 2x2 twill CF. It has a depth and 3d effect you don't get with shitty prints and textured vinyl. This is a headlight cover from my Supra. It replaces a steel one, is lighter and looks awesome.

[ame="www.youtube.com/watch?v=LV0ZHMhysBg&feature=youtube_gdata_player"]CF Supra Light cover - YouTube[/ame]



Interior, I haven't solidified my opinion yet. The factory stuff usually looks awesome, but partly because the cars that use real CF in interiors are awesome to begin with. Cheap aftermarket wraps aren't usually well integrated into the overall design, though.

[MY13FRS]

Originally Posted by dem00n

Its such a boring pattern, carbon fiber isn't really attractive to look at all. People who don't know what carbon fiber is, thinks it looks stupid as well. Have you ever tried to explain the reason why you have a carbon fiber wrap on your hood to someone who doesn't care about cars? Its hilarious.

I understand if you have a stripped interior and you might have a carbon dash, door sills and etc to save weight but as little inserts in luxury sport interiors, it just looks down right cheesy. In some cases it just ruins the contrast, i'm referring to BMW, Audi and etc...

Audi has some of the best interiors I've ever seen but the RS interiors are just...ruined with carbon fiber.


Oh and don't even get me started on carbon fiber wraps, it ruins cars sometimes i swear...

Whatever makes you people happy.

I agreed. Taking "sports" a little too far.

I have no problems with wood as wood feels good to me and I am comfy surrounded by wood. CF is there just to remind you you drive a sporty car.

[OrbitalEllipses]

Originally Posted by OmarGC

LAWL... Not tacky because CF, tacky because.... just tacky

Cars that cost more than you'll likely make in a decade can have as much carbon fiber as they want anywhere they want.

[OmarGC]

Originally Posted by OrbitalEllipses

Cars that cost more than you'll likely make in a decade can have as much carbon fiber as they want anywhere they want.

Must have misunderstood what I was getting at, I like cf interior trim my frs is undergoing the process now... I trying to make a point that interior design is the cause of being tacky not just because there's a few pieces of CF trim here or there...

and you can call it what you want, but ugly is ugly... Oprah's net worth still doesn't make her ass physically attractive.

I love everything about Pagani Zonda outside of their interiors. But a c12 is less then I make in half a decade, thank you.

[OrbitalEllipses]

Originally Posted by OmarGC

I love everything about Pagani Zonda outside of their interiors. But a c12 is less then I make in half a decade, thank you.

C12? Go big buddy, not used.

[OmarGC]

Originally Posted by OrbitalEllipses

C12? Go big buddy, not used.

You do know that you CAN'T buy a new Pagani Zonda right?

The pic above was of a c12... and you could go to a Zonda F, and it'll still be under 6 years at the price it was when it were new. But anyways, you done pissing?

[OrbitalEllipses]

I mean I'd you're going to be Mr high and mighty I can afford a C12, why can't you afford a Huayra?