Scion FR-S / FT-86 / Subaru BRZ Specs and Options. 200hp / 151 lb-ft tq

[sfwg]

Originally Posted by ryridesmotox

I am going to order mine as well...

about the tune... it doesn't seem to do anything for fuel economy for me... guess my right foot is too heavy.

NA vs turbo could have something to do with it too

[AudiTT]

Originally Posted by Deslock

I disagree. At this weight it'll be plenty for a daily driver/canyon carver.

But that peak is at so f****n' high revs that it makes driving in town a nightmare compared to a turbo. It's pretty annoying (in a long term, at least) to rev the engine to it's max every time you wanna make some progress. At least i'm an adult and don't use public roads for racing so every trafficlights is not a startingrid for me. And every roundabout is not made for powerslides... But this car is still made for public roads, right?

Cost and weight.

I doubt that for example 1,6 liter motor with a turbo would've added much weight. Yes, turbo adds weight but smaller engine saves it.

I think something like Peugeot RCZ (probably not sold in the US) has would've been brilliant. 1,6 turbo 200hp, 275nm torque from 1700rpm. Efficient and doesn't have to be trashed like mad to keep up a decent pace.

And cost? In ^that^ example, i'd say Toyota will end up being more expensive here. Which is a shame.

[ryridesmotox]

Originally Posted by AudiTT

But that peak is at so f****n' high revs that it makes driving in town a nightmare compared to a turbo. It's pretty annoying (in a long term, at least) to rev the engine to it's max every time you wanna make some progress. At least i'm an adult and don't use public roads for racing so every trafficlights is not a startingrid for me. And every roundabout is not made for powerslides... But this car is still made for public roads, right?

I think we all ought to wait to cast judgement til we see a dyno of the motor... the torque curve may be pretty good all the way through until it peaks up top.

[Aki]

Originally Posted by AudiTT

But that peak is at so f****n' high revs that it makes driving in town a nightmare compared to a turbo. It's pretty annoying (in a long term, at least) to rev the engine to it's max every time you wanna make some progress. At least i'm an adult and don't use public roads for racing so every trafficlights is not a startingrid for me. And every roundabout is not made for powerslides... But this car is still made for public roads, right?

So you don't want to go fast accelerating, and you don't want to take the turns fast... why would you be at all interested in any sports car, let alone the FT86? Sounds like you'd want a diesel economy car, great pick-up at low rpms.

[ryridesmotox]

Originally Posted by Aki

So you don't want to go fast accelerating, and you don't want to take the turns fast... why would you be at all interested in any sports car, let alone the FT86? Sounds like you'd want a diesel economy car, great pick-up at low rpms.

I'm pretty sure what he means is, he wants alot of usable power... which is beneficial on the track and the street to be honest. I personally don't care either way... a turbo will make sure the torque band is from 2k-6k rpm

[serialk11r]

HOLY I just realized this was here.

It's all pretty much in line with what we expected right? 2660 curb, 197hp, 30mpg.
@SUB-FT86 I think your Celica comparison is a bit off? lol I'm seeing 10 more horsepower, 200 more pounds of weight. So slower :/ the 2ZZ-GE had an aggressive low speed cam from what I hear, so people who drive that might not be that impressed with this car. This car probably has no different lift profiles, so the best that can be expected is around 200Nm through most of the rev range, if D-4S is as good as they say.

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by AudiTT

But that peak is at so f****n' high revs that it makes driving in town a nightmare compared to a turbo. It's pretty annoying (in a long term, at least) to rev the engine to it's max every time you wanna make some progress. At least i'm an adult and don't use public roads for racing so every trafficlights is not a startingrid for me. And every roundabout is not made for powerslides... But this car is still made for public roads, right?

With proper gearing it's fine. My two street cars have peak torque numbers at 6,200 and 7,500 currently and both are just fine on the street. Yes, it takes a different style of driving (no shifting at 2,500RPM or expecting to pass in top gear as fast as a car with torque) but it's not a big deal at all.

[Dave-ROR]

whoa a post was deleted :P

[mkxr]

Originally Posted by AudiTT

But that peak is at so f****n' high revs that it makes driving in town a nightmare compared to a turbo. It's pretty annoying (in a long term, at least) to rev the engine to it's max every time you wanna make some progress. At least i'm an adult and don't use public roads for racing so every trafficlights is not a startingrid for me. And every roundabout is not made for powerslides... But this car is still made for public roads, right?


I doubt that for example 1,6 liter motor with a turbo would've added much weight. Yes, turbo adds weight but smaller engine saves it.

I think something like Peugeot RCZ (probably not sold in the US) has would've been brilliant. 1,6 turbo 200hp, 275nm torque from 1700rpm. Efficient and doesn't have to be trashed like mad to keep up a decent pace.

And cost? In ^that^ example, i'd say Toyota will end up being more expensive here. Which is a shame.

The idea of this car is to be the best of both worlds, fun and economical commuter, and a great weekend racer. I drive a Honda Fit daily, low power, low torque, but it's a fun daily driver because it's under 2500 lbs. The RCZ may have more torque, but it's 3133 lbs, so although it's small, it's a cow.
I'm pretty sure you don't need to rev your engine to the max, to get from one red light to the next.

[nickatdunning]

As for scion pure pricing don't get too excited about discounts, it won't happen...every scion sale has to be sent to Toyota, including the price, and any options the customer had installed , they are very strict( I do some of the paperwork) , and heavy fines will be put on the dealership if they sell scions for different prices to people. The only way you will see discounts is if the dealership gave the same discount to every customers. So if a dealer decided to sell all of there fr-s' at $500 below sticker they can do that, but can never offer it for more or less than $500 off sticker.

[Allch Chcar]

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

whoa a post was deleted :P

The dude was getting a bunch of responses by the time I posted so I just deleted it.

No, I didn't get moderated. -.-\

[AudiTT]

Originally Posted by ryridesmotox

I'm pretty sure what he means is, he wants alot of usable power... which is beneficial on the track and the street to be honest.

Exactly.

We'll see after the final release, but i start to have my doubts that this will be my next car. Compared to my current drive, too big step back in daily usability of the engine.

I like RWD and low weight, but hate low trq.

Starts to get really late here, good night.

[serialk11r]

Originally Posted by AudiTT

Exactly.

We'll see after the final release, but i start to have my doubts that this will be my next car. Compared to my current drive, too big step back in daily usability of the engine.

I like RWD and low weight, but hate low trq.

Starts to get really late here, good night.

Your current drive is quite fast :O Why not keep driving that? Need back seats?

[tranzformer]

Originally Posted by nickatdunning

As for scion pure pricing don't get too excited about discounts, it won't happen...every scion sale has to be sent to Toyota, including the price, and any options the customer had installed , they are very strict( I do some of the paperwork) , and heavy fines will be put on the dealership if they sell scions for different prices to people. The only way you will see discounts is if the dealership gave the same discount to every customers. So if a dealer decided to sell all of there fr-s' at $500 below sticker they can do that, but can never offer it for more or less than $500 off sticker.

There was a discussion on here a few weeks back about Scion giving discounts to recent college grads and active duty military. Is that something that would get the price below sticker?