Scion FR-S / FT-86 / Subaru BRZ Specs and Options. 200hp / 151 lb-ft tq

[slizoth]

Originally Posted by Aki

I'm gravitating toward the high-end spec, though it'd probably be like $28-30k, hmm.

Ah god don't say that, 20k for the base model, 25k for the high end model.

[tranzformer]

Originally Posted by Mari0

Decisions, decisions... I am wondering if Scion will just come out with one model (that has more than the JDM base) and then have most of the stuff as options.

Of course they will have the bottom model, too, with nothing on it.

I could see Scion do the barebones and then have everything else as options.

[Allch Chcar]

Originally Posted by Sleeperz

From the Fuel economy numbers it looks like it was tuned for a balance of power and Fuel efficiency.
Also it would be good to know how low RPMs the power starts coming in.
Besides Toyota needs a car to offset the LFA for the CAFE.

I agree, there is probably more in it with just a tune. Between emissions and FE, Toyota is probably under a lot of pressure to deliver with all of their cars.

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

Wow, shocking to see a 19y/o with enough discipline to do that. Nice work!

It's shocking to see anyone with that much discipline these days (especially in the US). We have a few people here who have a good chunk of money saved up. They are an inspiration to me because I don't have near what I will need and I will have to work hard to save up enough money to buy one.

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

Are the compression numbers stated? That'll tell you.

Personally I'd be shocked if it didn't require 91 octane.

I doubt it will even recommend 91 octane since it is DI. And "require" octane is a misleading statement, modern engines with knock sensors do not require high octane unless you tune them specifically for a higher octane.

I am very curious how high of a compression ratio they used. But I have an agenda. >:3

Originally Posted by ryridesmotox

True stuff... Hopefully it will be less than 11.0:1 but seeing as they are trying to get 200+hp n/a out of the engine... I forsee that being closer to 12.5:1 which would be definitely pushing the knock resistance of 91/93 octane at anything above saaaay 8psi... unless you go ethanol or race gas.

It is possible to turbocharge a 12.5:1 Static Compression ratio engine "Port" injected engine reliably. It has been done. But the room for error is smaller and there are plenty of lesser variables that can make or break it. The problem is that very few people tune Gasoline for anything above 10:1. With very few exception, most Petrol turbojunkies will downgrade the compression ratio for reliability by swapping pistons, if they can. I'm not a tuner but I still wouldn't say it is impossible with high compression, just more work/risk.

Originally Posted by madfast

ok if you do the math, this thing is making 150 ft lbs at 7000 rpm. incredible. if allowed to rev to 9000 rpm, im guessing this thing can make S2000 power.

also this car is 200 lbs lighter than the RSX-S, 11 ft lbs more at 6600 rpm and 10 ft lbs more at 7000. it makes about the same hp 800 rpm sooner.

i think there is still a LOT left on the table. the tq is holding flat close to redline. for fuel econ and reliability reasons, they probably set the redline at 7400...

Very excited just thinking about it! If just a tune can pull out that 30 more HP that Tada-san(I think?) mentioned, this thing will be hot stuff.

Originally Posted by fred_boosted

I never did a turbo build on a non turbo car.

People telling me if I want to do that I have to make it less than 10:1...

Which means I have to do an engine build, and this is the only one thing I don't want to...

Me either. There's always a first time though, most of the work is planning, designing a setup, and learning the basics. I would probably keep it N/A for awhile, but as I will be trying to be first to run E85 I will likely go turbo someday .

[Aki]

Where did the 1190 kg number come from for the custom grade? I didn't see any weight figures for it in the scans. Also don't see fuel capacity in the scan.

Originally Posted by slizoth

Ah god don't say that, 20k for the base model, 25k for the high end model.

My guess is 22-24k for the low-end, 27-30k for high-end. Doubt it'd be 20k--that's less than a Civic Si which is FWD and a less sophisticated engine.

Anything more than 24k would be fail imo, because that'd be priced above a 300hp Mustang (different type of car altogether, but they'd still get cross-shopped).

Originally Posted by Allch Chcar

I doubt it will even recommend 91 octane since it is DI. And "require" octane is a misleading statement, modern engines with knock sensors do not require high octane unless you tune them specifically for a higher octane.

It is recommending "premium unleaded gasoline" in the scan.

Can't wait to see how this drives in person, spec-wise it's everything I wanted in a car--200hp, balanced RWD, Toyota-level reliability/affordability, 2+2 for a somewhat practical daily driver. Love it!

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by Allch Chcar

I doubt it will even recommend 91 octane since it is DI. And "require" octane is a misleading statement, modern engines with knock sensors do not require high octane unless you tune them specifically for a higher octane.

I should have said recommend. Modern engines will simply pull timing if you don't, so to make the stated power it does "require" it though. Yes, it'd run on 87, it'll just pull timing until the knock is gone.

I'm not familar with DI enough to know if it makes a difference. I guess it can inject during compression to prevent pre-ignition.

[quik1987]

High Spec =/= R Version

He also said that an R version of the FT-86 was coming with less weight, Brembo brakes (our test car’s stoppers were from Hitachi), a rollcage, a larger rear wing, no rear seats and, yes, a mechanical LSD but no more power.

Toyota High Spec probably = Subaru Base Spec
Toyota R Spec/TRD probably = Subaru High Spec/STi

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by cyde01

that's because none of that info is on the spec sheet. all it says concerning brakes is ベンチレーテッドディスク (ventilated disc) while the low spec model only says ディスク (disc) for the rear lol

Maybe Toyota will "leak" that info tomorrow lol

[Aki]

These leaks are seriously terrible (for them, great for us). Heads will roll if the person(s) is caught. Don't recall something getting leaked so comprehensively.

[tranzformer]

Originally Posted by Aki

, Toyota-level reliability/affordability, 2+2 for a somewhat practical daily driver. Love it!

You mean Subaru reliability right?

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by Aki

These leaks are seriously terrible (for them, great for us). Heads will roll if the person(s) is caught. Don't recall something getting leaked so comprehensively.

Eh, I'd bet 90% that Toyota is not only aware of it, but is specifically leaking the information to increase hype and excitement before the debut. Maybe even partially in reaction to Subaru's recent media blitz.

The leaks seem to be pretty systematic and they seem to be slowing leaking out everything.

If someone was really going to risk their careers leaking something from the brochure they'd have zero incentive to stop after one or two pages, the entire brochure in PDF form would be available.

[mkivalex]

I would most definatly say it is getting leaked on purpose, If you dont think toyota regularily monitors this forum and see's by leaking a littttle bit of info at the time it creats a thread with 20,000+ views in 12 hours. Its free advertising for them, and look at us, chatting like little school girls over this car, toyota is 100% putting these "leaks" out.

Who gave permission to more than 1 review company to post their review this week?....Exactly.

[fred_boosted]

Originally Posted by Allch Chcar

Me either. There's always a first time though, most of the work is planning, designing a setup, and learning the basics. I would probably keep it N/A for awhile, but as I will be trying to be first to run E85 I will likely go turbo someday .

Agreed, I might begin to mod the exhuast, intake, cams when 10K miles, swap seats, wheels, suspentions when its 25K miles, and do turbo build in about 30~35K miles.

If bare bone is an option... then...

[Allch Chcar]

Originally Posted by cyde01

btw everything pretty much has been translated. the only things i noticed that weren't translated:

the car in fact does require premium unleaded gas (無鉛プレミアム)
the rear seat is one piece and is foldable (一体可動式）
did anyone mention that the high spec model comes with a digital speedo and tachometer? (デジタルスピードメーター　revメーター）
random interior bits included in the high spec model:
stainless door scuff plate? (ステンレス製ドアスカッフプレート）
some kind of mesh carbon interior panels
metal plated inside door handles（メッキインサイドドアハンドル）
door courtesy lamp？（ドアカーテシランプ）
knee pad (ニーパッド）
the "customize grade" bare bones model is 1190 kg

Okay, so that clears that one up. Many to our Translators!

And cool bit about the Bare bones model. I would gladly buy one without powersteering and A/C. Unpainted bumpers and manual windows are so cool. <3

Originally Posted by ryridesmotox

Not necessarily...

Example: the new 5.0 coyote mustang motor has 11.0:1 compression... not exactly what you want for boosting an engine but C'est la vie... there are plenty of boosted coyote motors running around at 6-7psi on 91 octane up to 8 psi on 93, and if you want to run ethanol (like I would do) I believe they are getting up to 10psi. thats on a stock engine.

One of the limitations is the fuel and the density of the air charge. Ethanol is EXTREMELY knock resistant as most people on here know. You also run it alot richer than 91 or 93 (about 15-20% richer generally). Another limiting factor is the lower end... I'm thinking they are going to go forged internals... it just makes sense if they want the motor to spin up to 7500 or 8000rpm... this is good news for boosting the motor. If the compression ratio is over 11.0:1 it would almost be not worth it to boost the motor, to get real power it would need a rebuild and lower compression.

In my car (Cobalt SS with the LNF) the engine is built from the factory to take murderous amounts of boosted power. stock boost is 15+/- psi. I am running 24/25psi on my ethanol tune... that said the compression ratio is like 9.2:1. There are plenty of guys getting almost 500whp on a daily driver Cobalt SS (turbo swaps). But this is just an example of a more ideal motor for boost.

Very good explanation, I think huh. We need more Ethanol Guys like you.

Originally Posted by tranzformer

Bare bones at 1190 isn't as large of a difference from the base at 1210 as I was expecting. But I guess that is a great starting point.

20KG = 40lbs. Where it is can be just as important as how much. Nose weight is the hardest to lose don't you agree?

Originally Posted by slizoth

Ah god don't say that, 20k for the base model, 25k for the high end model.

$25k is for the Midrange. Top range fully Loaded is unknown. Needless to say, Base models do not represent the majority of sales and $25-$30k is a perfectly acceptable range for the top end R/STI model. Would I pay that much? Hell no. Would plenty of people pay that? Hell yeah.

[ryridesmotox]

Originally Posted by Allch Chcar

Me either. There's always a first time though, most of the work is planning, designing a setup, and learning the basics. I would probably keep it N/A for awhile, but as I will be trying to be first to run E85 I will likely go turbo someday .

If I get this thing in a reasonable timeframe after it's released, you can be the first to run E85... right after me lol... on my turbonetics ball bearing turbo build muahahahahaha